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LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by jmward01 »

Honestly I have nothing but anger for all parties involved here. We need to treat any appliance as hostile. Vote for people that will stop this stuff. Don't buy it. This is digital assault and should be treated as such.

If any of the HN crowd reading this are tech reviewers, make privacy and security a first class feature of the things you review. If it has a network connection then ask hard questions of the manufacturer about how they are managing that massive responsibility and what promises they have about how they will, and won't, use it. Ask what qualifies a 'trusted partner' and get a list of them so you can dig into them and report on how much those partners can or can't be trusted.

I really don't care how bright the screen is if this type of stuff happens. I'd rather watch nothing.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by jmward01 »

michaelchisari wrote: post #106
s1ncere wrote: post #30

Stop hooking up your LG tv to any network

Never once had a problem with an LG because I've never given it internet access. A trustworthy set top box handles everything instead. Concerned that might not be an option in the future.

That is my problem. What can you trust anymore? Is there an appliance out there that can do the basics and not be a malware gateway?

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by mapt »

jmward01 wrote: post #122
michaelchisari wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never once had a problem with an LG because I've never given it internet access. A trustworthy set top box handles everything instead. Concerned that might not be an option in the future.

That is my problem. What can you trust anymore? Is there an appliance out there that can do the basics and not be a malware gateway?

Smart TVs replaced dumb TVs not out of consumer demand, but out of subsidy from commercial databrokers and streaming services. Despite adding $100 of hardware they were priced $100 cheaper.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by meta-level »

ahartmetz wrote: post #80
5kg wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop hooking up your LG: https://www.theverge.com/tech/967983/lg-monitors-mcafee-adwa...

Fine with Linux though :) LG's behavior isn't fine, but their monitors don't install crapware on Linux.

yet?

I guess with more and more consumer devices running Linux based OSes (SteamOS, Android, Bazzite, Silverblue, ..) that becomes more and more interesting.

And unfortunately the "I'm safe on my non-windows-system" argument doesn't count for long, as the 99% muggle crowd justifies a shift to a world where our non-certified (=> 'insecure') systems are not supported by big companies anymore, as it's currently happening on Android.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by drnick1 »

tyre wrote: post #37
amazingman wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hope you don't have any open WiFi networks nearby. IMO it's better to put it on one of your networks and isolate it from the internet and other devices.

Yes. I bought a Samsung TV and there isn’t a way to set up Art Mode without the internet. So first you have to get a raspberry pi, install pi hole, then switch your router’s DNS. What a wild experience 2026 is. But I do feel like a wizard.

> So first you have to get a raspberry pi, install pi hole, then switch your router’s DNS.

This does not provide any meaningful protection against data exfiltration. The TV is very possibly using public DNS or outright phoning home through stable IPs.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by ahartmetz »

smcleod wrote: post #98
ahartmetz wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most screens come with "showroom settings" out of the box. You need to configure them to something more neutral once and then it's fine.

I'm aware of that setting, but this is the Samsung baseline. The panels they export for OEMs / other manufacturers don't seem to have the same hyper saturation. Even just standing next to someone using a Samsung phone or tablet you can often spot it straight away we know you what to look for.

Even phones have screen settings these days (much less detailed than monitors). On my Motorola phone w/ OLED screen, I turned off "vibrant colors" or something like that. Maybe the people you saw didn't bother or liked it. Maybe there is something that can't be turned off, who knows. I only have semi-regular experience with an older (and non OLED) Samsung tablet which seems fine.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by marssaxman »

MiddleEndian wrote: post #51
s1ncere wrote: post #30

Stop hooking up your LG tv to any network

My LG DualUp monitors (with no internet access) recently triggered some LG Adware Bullshit to install on my Windows laptop. So I'd say stop using LG anything (or Windows anything since they're voluntarily in on the scam too lol). If you want the 2560x2880, maybe buy the knock-off INNOCN vertical monitors. https://old.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1v1pkbs/lg_sp... ← examples of others who ran into the same shit

I would probably have a DualUp by now if I could find one available anywhere: it's a very appealing form factor. I looked at the INNOCN site, but only see normal-looking monitors there; do you have a model name or any pointers I could search for?

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by drnick1 »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #66
entropie wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might hardcode DNS. It's not certain that this will work.

You can intercept normal DNS with iptables rules. The best way to deal with a TV you don't trust is what no one wants to hear. Open up the back and disconnect the wifi antenna. It is easy to open them up and everything is pretty simple and obvious once you do.

> Open up the back and disconnect the wifi antenna.

Upvoted. This is precisely the kind of thing I expect to read on HN.

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by drnick1 »

baby_souffle wrote: post #47
RiverCrochet wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't seen any open WiFi networks around me in years. I don't think it's a thing anymore; it's definitely not something a TV company can rely on.

They're not unheard of in cities. Hotels and shopping malls have them. Some residential ISPs will also broadcast a public access point using a slice of each customer's bandwidth allocation...

Another reason not to use ISP hardware. That's on top of a well-known backdoor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-069).

Re: LG to ban residential proxies from smart TV apps

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Post by krige »

drnick1 wrote: post #117
ahartmetz wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fine with Linux though :) LG's behavior isn't fine, but their monitors don't install crapware on Linux.

Another win for the Linux security model (software installed and updated manually from vetted repos only).

Surely you mean Linux security model (not relevant enough to be targeted by big tech)?
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