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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is kimi making a profit? How subsidized is it by the Chinese government?

Is that any worse than being subsidized by VC? They're playing the same game as the western labs, just with slightly different players.

Chinese government vs American VCs doesn't equate to "slight different players."

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#252
post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the Chinese government is angling to destroy the western economy and rise from the ashes. Instead of a billion a day to bomb some buildings and bridges they're intentionally hamstringing the biggest concentration of speculation in history

I agree. The commenter you replied to makes it sound like the Chinese models are coming out of tiny startups with meager resources. It's really not a David vs Goliath story.

It’s not about who’s developing the models, it’s the fact that free alternatives that are neck-and-neck are available at all. What’s the story for OpenAI & Anthropic’s valuation if they have to compete against free-weight models? Starts to feel like a commodity.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#253
If you haven’t been really running and testing these models yourself, they are all benchmaxxed. No matter how close they score to frontier on whatever metric, they always fall apart in real world tasks and their token efficiency is ridiculously bad. Fireworks has incredible incentive to make this claim in a headline, because Fireworks hosting K3 for you is pure profit for them, unlike when they host closed source models.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#254

I will accept a 5% drop in benchmarks for a model that talks to me like a human.

You don't even need to pay a 5% hit. Just paste Fable output into Gemini Flash and it will rewrite it in more accessible language.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I've found that Opus by default outputs something I call "Claude-lang." It consists of oversimplified, grammatically incomplete sentences that I find painful to read. Maybe it is something that is easy for it to read and write, but definitely not for humans. For example, Skim once now; refer back while reading Part II. \*Every bold technical term in Part II is defined here\* — treat these as a dictionary, not a…

"Grammatically incomplete"?!

I would say so.

There is a lot of noun phrase usage in places where complete sentences are expected. Articles (a, an, the), transition phrases and even subjects are mostly dropped, and the sentences are too long without a break.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#257
post #218

I will accept a 5% drop in benchmarks for a model that talks to me like a human.

I strictly prefer when models ignore any human quirks in my responses. Claude trying to be your friend, saying LOL to your jokes is ridiculous and frankly, harmful

I prefer my models to border on rude.

How will I know it is offering me superior feedback regarding my code if it does not speak to me like a disappointed, high reputation stackexchange user?

The models that constantly glaze you with every question are profoundly insufferable. And yes, harmful. People need to be given feedback when they make an ask.

Imagine a model that was allowed to leverage its intelligence to truly tell you how it feels. Perhaps the problem of human driven slop (no it's not the AI's fault) would solve itself.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#258

Genuine question: can these posts be paid to hype the open source models? If yes, what would be the purpose? On my work tasks, FastAPI Python and Springboot Java on a modern SaaS product, the only open model that can do tasks well and efficiently is Qwen3.7-Max. In all my experiments, both GLM-5.2 and Kimi are busy grepping around the codebase for ALMOST 70-80K tokens before writing anything and when they do it typic…

It's (good) content marketing. They sell access to Kimi K3. They're one of the biggest model inference providers out there.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#259

Genuine question: can these posts be paid to hype the open source models? If yes, what would be the purpose? On my work tasks, FastAPI Python and Springboot Java on a modern SaaS product, the only open model that can do tasks well and efficiently is Qwen3.7-Max. In all my experiments, both GLM-5.2 and Kimi are busy grepping around the codebase for ALMOST 70-80K tokens before writing anything and when they do it typic…

Fireworks is an inference provider that specializes in running open source models very fast and makes almost all of their margin on chinese models

So the economic incentive is literally their entire business model lol

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

#260

Genuine question: can these posts be paid to hype the open source models? If yes, what would be the purpose? On my work tasks, FastAPI Python and Springboot Java on a modern SaaS product, the only open model that can do tasks well and efficiently is Qwen3.7-Max. In all my experiments, both GLM-5.2 and Kimi are busy grepping around the codebase for ALMOST 70-80K tokens before writing anything and when they do it typic…

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Pretty sure she's American.
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