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Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by the_sleaze_ »

rogerrogerr wrote: post #31
stingraycharles wrote: post #7

As always, benchmarks rarely paint the whole picture. It also seems like this article is somewhat biased, eg when Fable and Kimi are close but Fable wins it’s “dead heat”, but when Kimi wins it’s “Kimi wins”. GPT 5.6 seems to be missing as well. I am really eager to give Kimi K3 a try, but I’ll reserve my judgement until I’ve worked with it for at least a few days.

The apparent bias may be explainable as it’s not remarkable for OpenAI or Anthropic to be slightly ahead. It _is_ remarkable for an open weights model to be better than the closed models from the trillion dollar (allegedly) companies.

I believe the Chinese government is angling to destroy the western economy and rise from the ashes. Instead of a billion a day to bomb some buildings and bridges they're intentionally hamstringing the biggest concentration of speculation in history

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by barumrho »

captainregex wrote: post #210

I enjoy all the fun of these new models as much as the next guy but I truly don’t see a circumstance in the near future where my $200 a month with the frontier labs doesn’t get me more than enough consumption of what I need. Local models, chinese models, etc are all very fun weekend projects to tinker with but until something changes (entirely possible!) with how much you get with one of the subscriptions I just don’…

If everyone took your position, then frontier labs can keep raising their price.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by slopinthebag »

mlazos wrote: post #75
arikrahman wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best part is using harnesses like reasonix or whale make cache hit at a rate close to 98%, making requests converge to practically free. And that's with unsubsidized American providers like cloudflare or Digital Ocean.

How can you be hitting cache on what I think are novel LLM prompts …

The prompt is only novel the first time it’s sent. Then as it’s sent repeatedly as part of the previous context it’s cached.

Deepseek afaik has a novel architecture that is somewhat forgiving of cache shifts. I’ve been getting +90% cache hits with Zed’s agent and it’s not doing anything special regarding caching afaik.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #187
bjourne wrote: post #179

I'm skeptical. According to arena.ai, Fable 5 dominates almost every category : https://arena.ai/leaderboard Kimi K3 has an edge in WebDev but struggles to reach top 10 in many other categories.

In my experience, Fable is not even close to Sol 5.6 High (not even the max tier) for coding. 1) it's substantially slower. 2) it's substantially more expensive. 3) it's code is considerably worse. It's a joke when you consider what you get for what you pay for.

Your experience is an anecdote. Leaderboard rankings are a distributed blind taste test.

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by 4b11b4 »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #212

I will accept a 5% drop in benchmarks for a model that talks to me like a human.

I strictly prefer when models ignore any human quirks in my responses. Claude trying to be your friend, saying LOL to your jokes is ridiculous and frankly, harmful

Re: Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA

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Post by broodbucket »

culi wrote: post #208
broodbucket wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the public. Mythos has been in active use for quite a while.

It makes no good sense to evaluate models we don't have access to. For all we know K3 was competitive back then too. Or maybe there's a K4 in the works that blows everything out of the water. Who knows and who cares. There's no way for us to compare

There isn't, I think the point is in terms of how "far ahead" models are, K3 was likely trained much more recently than Mythos was. It's just something to note, it's not especially prescriptive.

Mythos was withheld because of the threat to security and/or marketing stunt (depending on your leaning), I don't see what benefit there could be for not releasing K3 immediately.

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