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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

ButlerianJihad wrote: post #62
Sleaker wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devils advocate question: Isn't registering an ip to name essentially advertising? You're paying a registrar to return your Internet address location when searched for.

Not merely DNS names, but in IP routing, announcing a route is known as "advertising" it. You and your ISP are literally advertising a path for others to find your site via TCP/IP.

The two obvious problems being that a) you're advertising that so that people in the countries you actually intend to do business in can find it, and b) the same IP address may be hosting thousands of independent sites any subset of which could be intended to be accessed by people in the other jurisdiction, and publishing the route is done for them.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by moezd »

VPN is a legit technology with real applications, not a toy you spin when lawmakers hurt you. And it's for Anne Frank's diaries out of all disputes?

EU lawmakers follow tech trends by a lag of at least a decade and lay waste as they move along. Imagine what they will require once they understand how tech people no longer use chatbots and how much we can control AI agents.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by lostmsu »

embedding-shape wrote: post #10
ryandrake wrote: post #3

The irony of trying to block content/visitors based on country, while publishing on a platform called the "World Wide" web. IP address blocks that roughly correspond with geographic regions is kind of a design flaw.

That's what happens when you have idealistic nerds implementing a vision of what they want , rather than the typical software that is designed and built almost like an representation of the organization that built it, i.e Conway's Law.

This comment sounds differently when you remember the Internet is from DARPA.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by nightski »

sophacles wrote: post #60
redeeman wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, that is a ridiculous line of reasoning

Not really. Why would people pay so much for the $brand_name.com, etc if there wasn't a marketing component to it?

I mean I pay for a domain for my homelab. No one else uses it.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by spudlyo »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #33
eikenberry wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the OP was pointing out that writers will write even without monetary recompense.

Really, all of them? In the history of the world there has never existed a writer who thought, hey I think I can do that pretty well, I suppose I will give a try and see if I can make money. There has never been a writer who, writing for love, also thought, hey that is a great idea for a science fiction story, and that magazine is paying for science fiction, I will, in entrepreneurial fashion try to write a story so…

"Writing for money and reservation of copyright are, at bottom, the ruin of literature. No one writes anything that is worth writing, unless he writes entirely for the sake of his subject." -- Arthur Schopenhauer

If you find this quote interesting, you should check out this video[0] by Christopher Anadale who is a teacher who does long form deep dive analysis & commentary on classic works of philosophy. As an aside, one of the things I love about YouTube is when teachers record and share their lectures, and I was pleased to learn about the feisty Schopenhauer (and his thoughts on authorship) by listening to this lecture.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F99UsizxMZQ

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by stackghost »

petcat wrote: post #54
dgellow wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware it’s the case in the US too? I don’t see what is supposed to be bad or terrifying here. French regulators (why the scare quotes?) entire reason d‘être is what you frame as suspicious, but it’s pretty standard, the state governs the infrastructure in its territory

US regulators don't order ISPs to block websites. The FBI will occasionally seize a domain, but only after a court order.

>US regulators don't order ISPs to block websites.

Of course they do, mostly for intellectual property reasons.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by stackghost »

sophacles wrote: post #60
redeeman wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

no, that is a ridiculous line of reasoning

Not really. Why would people pay so much for the $brand_name.com, etc if there wasn't a marketing component to it?

Marketing and advertising are two related but distinct functions.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by foota »

stackghost wrote: post #76
petcat wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US regulators don't order ISPs to block websites. The FBI will occasionally seize a domain, but only after a court order.

>US regulators don't order ISPs to block websites. Of course they do, mostly for intellectual property reasons.

Through the courts though, right?

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by Hacker_Yogi »

pembrook wrote: post #70
dgellow wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you aware it’s the case in the US too? I don’t see what is supposed to be bad or terrifying here. French regulators (why the scare quotes?) entire reason d‘être is what you frame as suspicious, but it’s pretty standard, the state governs the infrastructure in its territory

This is a red herring. We're not arguing about whether it is standard for governments to attempt to exercise maximal control. We're arguing about whether governments executing censorship regimes via ISPs (like the Chinese Communist Party) without any balanced legal proceedings is a good thing. And no, it does not happen like that in the US.

Sorry if I come across as being pedantic but it's actually the Communist Party of China - the CPC, even though many, esp. in the US, use the wrong abbreviation - CCP.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by tolciho »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #33
eikenberry wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the OP was pointing out that writers will write even without monetary recompense.

Really, all of them? In the history of the world there has never existed a writer who thought, hey I think I can do that pretty well, I suppose I will give a try and see if I can make money. There has never been a writer who, writing for love, also thought, hey that is a great idea for a science fiction story, and that magazine is paying for science fiction, I will, in entrepreneurial fashion try to write a story so…

The profit urge was already made fun of in a recent novel.

  “And what does the author mean to do?” said Don Quixote.

  “What?” replied Samson; “why, as soon as he has found the history which
  he is now searching for with extraordinary diligence, he will at once
  give it to the press, moved more by the profit that may accrue to him
  from doing so than by any thought of praise.”

  Whereat Sancho observed, “The author looks for money and profit, does he?
  It will be a wonder if he succeeds, for it will be only hurry, hurry,
  with him, like the tailor on Easter Eve; and works done in a hurry are
  never finished as perfectly as they ought to be.
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