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'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by dgellow »

petcat wrote: post #13
sebastiennight wrote: post #2

For those who (like me) missed the essential key word in the OP's title: This ruling is about copyright, and seems mostly unrelated to recent conversations about escaping censorship and surveilance, and the overall final throes of the open web. It's still pretty important since the lawsuit filed by the Anne Frank Fonds could be caricatured as "if this content is illegal in our country, it should not be on the Interne…

Somewhat related to this same debate on censorship: French regulators order block of Polymarket's website [0] > The French gambling regulator said the site's continued availability constituted advertising. A ban on financial transactions to the site was already in place. After failing to compel Polymarket to geoblock France, it's crazy that French "regulators" can just order ISPs to block a website without any judici…

Are you aware it’s the case in the US too? I don’t see what is supposed to be bad or terrifying here. French regulators (why the scare quotes?) entire reason d‘être is what you frame as suspicious, but it’s pretty standard, the state governs the infrastructure in its territory

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by redeeman »

Sleaker wrote: post #50
petcat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat related to this same debate on censorship: French regulators order block of Polymarket's website [0] > The French gambling regulator said the site's continued availability constituted advertising. A ban on financial transactions to the site was already in place. After failing to compel Polymarket to geoblock France, it's crazy that French "regulators" can just order ISPs to block a website without any judici…

Devils advocate question: Isn't registering an ip to name essentially advertising? You're paying a registrar to return your Internet address location when searched for.

no, that is a ridiculous line of reasoning

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by dgellow »

protocolture wrote: post #37
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, all of them? In the history of the world there has never existed a writer who thought, hey I think I can do that pretty well, I suppose I will give a try and see if I can make money. There has never been a writer who, writing for love, also thought, hey that is a great idea for a science fiction story, and that magazine is paying for science fiction, I will, in entrepreneurial fashion try to write a story so…

>Really, all of them? Do we have exactly the correct number of authors right now and any change to copyright risks tipping us from some balance point into darkness? Or maybe we could do without Steven Kings and JK Rowlings sorts and get along fine.

Don’t mix Kings and Rowlings, he’s at a whole other level

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by petcat »

dgellow wrote: post #51
petcat wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somewhat related to this same debate on censorship: French regulators order block of Polymarket's website [0] > The French gambling regulator said the site's continued availability constituted advertising. A ban on financial transactions to the site was already in place. After failing to compel Polymarket to geoblock France, it's crazy that French "regulators" can just order ISPs to block a website without any judici…

Are you aware it’s the case in the US too? I don’t see what is supposed to be bad or terrifying here. French regulators (why the scare quotes?) entire reason d‘être is what you frame as suspicious, but it’s pretty standard, the state governs the infrastructure in its territory

US regulators don't order ISPs to block websites.

The FBI will occasionally seize a domain, but only after a court order.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by tjwebbnorfolk »

tomhow wrote: post #48
tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ok but is it correct or incorrect?

Please don't act like a jerk. Everyone knows it's possible for a statement to be correct and vile at the same time.

> Everyone knows it's possible for a statement to be correct and vile at the same time

I really need to spend some time thinking about this one. If something is correct, I don't tend to continue analyzing it further to look for reasons to be angry.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by Bayart »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #23
spiderfarmer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it’s crazy to enforce laws, especially given the leeway the government gave that predatory website.

> given the leeway the government gave that predatory website. They are only blocking it because the French gambling mafia/authority is not getting their cut. They do not care in any way at all about a "predatory" gambling website. They just want their share.

The decision was made in the context of foreign interference with elections.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by movedx »

dzonga wrote: post #46

Age verification + plus some states trying to ban VPNs - what states miss - yeah they will destroy the so called big social networks or media providers like porn aggregation sites. what will simply happen - due to the following - HDDs are cheap, Torrents, Open source / cheap community software like Discord - communities will move to be mostly private and small. era of large social media is done. for media - download…

This is hard to read, but I think you're saying the Internet will see a shift to "Sneaker Net" like tactics where people torrent stuff, store it on HDDs, and just move those HDDs around? Like they do in Cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTno8D-b2E

For the most part, I agree.

Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling

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Post by sophacles »

redeeman wrote: post #52
Sleaker wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devils advocate question: Isn't registering an ip to name essentially advertising? You're paying a registrar to return your Internet address location when searched for.

no, that is a ridiculous line of reasoning

Not really.

Why would people pay so much for the $brand_name.com, etc if there wasn't a marketing component to it?

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