If they ever make VPNs illegal first they need to add ivanti to the list. For amount of crimes it has committed against IT Security personnel.
'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat related to this same debate on censorship: French regulators order block of Polymarket's website [0] > The French gambling regulator said the site's continued availability constituted advertising. A ban on financial transactions to the site was already in place. After failing to compel Polymarket to geoblock France, it's crazy that French "regulators" can just order ISPs to block a website without any judici…
Devils advocate question: Isn't registering an ip to name essentially advertising? You're paying a registrar to return your Internet address location when searched for.
Not merely DNS names, but in IP routing, announcing a route is known as "advertising" it. You and your ISP are literally advertising a path for others to find your site via TCP/IP.
Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling
#63If they can target us by IP for surveillance pricing etc. then we need VPN as a basic survival tool.
You can’t shop around someone changing prices around you knowing your income etc.
Similarly you cannot meaningfully use social media, Reddit or even HN if your IP is on their lists.
Unfortunately many online organizations have gone to war with their users so we need VPN and other tools to mitigate the abuse.
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#64Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you aware it’s the case in the US too? I don’t see what is supposed to be bad or terrifying here. French regulators (why the scare quotes?) entire reason d‘être is what you frame as suspicious, but it’s pretty standard, the state governs the infrastructure in its territory
US regulators don't order ISPs to block websites. The FBI will occasionally seize a domain, but only after a court order.
Also notice that the FBI has no jurisdiction over foreign domains. It happens that the .com (in addition to .us) registry is in the US, but e.g. the .ru registry is in Russia and not under the jurisdiction of US courts.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat related to this same debate on censorship: French regulators order block of Polymarket's website [0] > The French gambling regulator said the site's continued availability constituted advertising. A ban on financial transactions to the site was already in place. After failing to compel Polymarket to geoblock France, it's crazy that French "regulators" can just order ISPs to block a website without any judici…
Devils advocate question: Isn't registering an ip to name essentially advertising? You're paying a registrar to return your Internet address location when searched for.
This is like saying that having a trademark in the US is advertising in France because you're paying the USPTO to publish your trademark registration.
If your scenario makes it impossible for someone to do ordinary business in country A but not in country B then it's fundamentally unworkable.
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>Really, all of them? Do we have exactly the correct number of authors right now and any change to copyright risks tipping us from some balance point into darkness? Or maybe we could do without Steven Kings and JK Rowlings sorts and get along fine.
Don’t mix Kings and Rowlings, he’s at a whole other level
They are both filthy rich and combined represent a large % of book sales. They also both spend their time making idiots of themselves on tweeter. Kings the better writer but they are both in the correct category here.
Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling
#68Without robust copyright protection, what will incentivize Anne Frank to write more diary entries?
People do care about income streams for their descendants or charitable organizations etc. So it’s not completely ineffective. What’s broken is extending copyright after a work was already created. But that’s true even if the creator was still alive.
> People do care about income streams for their descendants or charitable organizations etc. So it’s not completely ineffective.
It is once you make it to the other side of the marginal utility of a dollar.
Suppose you write a popular work in your 20s. You make plenty from it, and then people keep buying it. As long as they do, why spend your time creating new works when you can drink whiskey or play video games or live in a cabana on a beach? As long as the copyright doesn't expire, you have all the money you need and thereby value having more time over having more money. When it doesn't expire for 70 years after your death, so do your kids.
Whereas if it would expire after 14 years and you want to provide for your kids (never mind that they should maybe make a contribution of their own) then to do it you would have to keep making new works.
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#69Age verification + plus some states trying to ban VPNs - what states miss - yeah they will destroy the so called big social networks or media providers like porn aggregation sites. what will simply happen - due to the following - HDDs are cheap, Torrents, Open source / cheap community software like Discord - communities will move to be mostly private and small. era of large social media is done. for media - download…
Utah was the one I remember... have more states passed laws?
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2026/04/utahs-new-law-regulati...
Re: 'VPNs are lawful technical tools,' says EU Court in landmark copyright ruling
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Somewhat related to this same debate on censorship: French regulators order block of Polymarket's website [0] > The French gambling regulator said the site's continued availability constituted advertising. A ban on financial transactions to the site was already in place. After failing to compel Polymarket to geoblock France, it's crazy that French "regulators" can just order ISPs to block a website without any judici…
Are you aware it’s the case in the US too? I don’t see what is supposed to be bad or terrifying here. French regulators (why the scare quotes?) entire reason d‘être is what you frame as suspicious, but it’s pretty standard, the state governs the infrastructure in its territory
This is a red herring.
We're not arguing about whether it is standard for governments to attempt to exercise maximal control.
We're arguing about whether governments executing censorship regimes via ISPs (like the Chinese Communist Party) without any balanced legal proceedings is a good thing.
And no, it does not happen like that in the US.