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Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Post by rationalist »

fluoridation wrote: post #235
rationalist wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ones who have been involved in abuse scandals in the past (Churches, Scouts, etc) And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools which do a lot less training and enforcement of youth protection policies. Children are still safer in Scouts and churches than in schools. Just about every kid goes to school though, so people just prefer to sweep that under the rug and focus on targeting organizations the…

>And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools Is that in absolute terms, or per child who frequents the establishment?

> rates

So something like 1 per 100,000; which of course is still 1 too many.

(The other comments in other branches seem to prove my point. I am not defending any institution by the way. No one should be covering up crimes and/or allowing criminals to victimize people further.)

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Post by lstodd »

Spooky23 wrote: post #264
giantg2 wrote: post #198

Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like there's a huge push by the legislature and some people to do anything and everything to prevent CSAM, yet almost nothing seems to be done to prevent CSA. For CSAM, there's all sorts of monitoring, scanning, identify capturing, etc. But it's all after abuse has taken place, and it seems that many of the people actually arrested are arrested for CSAM and not CSA. This has e…

The CSAM issue is both very real and abused by politicians. When I did some work with a police agency, it was explained to me that there’s a pattern of escalation with people and they tend to accumulate collections and many escalate to actual behavior. The detectives assigned to this work tend to not last long, and the horrific nature of the crime affects them. Like all rape, it’s a combo of control and dopamine. The…

> When I did some work with a police agency, it was explained to me that there’s a pattern of escalation with people

You have been mildly brainwashed.

It would be best if that episode lead you to study a bit of psychology but instead you chose to believe.

Like any belief it's a combo of control and dopamine. The feeling of belonging to a group and being righteous within that group hits so hard that it takes hard explicit effort to screen your perception of its effects.

You are a victim because you failed to accept reality.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

ryandrake wrote: post #291
kryogen1c wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

epsteins case tells you how much the US political class cares about SA and CSA happening in the US.

Yea, until at least one non-ringleader Epstein party participant goes to jail, I'm not going to believe the US actually gives a shit about protecting children.

Every president since Clinton protected epstein too, it's not a partisan thing.

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Post by fluoridation »

godwinson__4-8 wrote: post #292
schrodinger wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a Catholic (nor religious at all), and do question whether schools truly are worse than churches in terms of how children are treated. But that's not the point. You made up a quote I didn't say ("demonization"), and accused the former poster of doing something they weren't: defending the church. Saying that schools are worse yet ignored is not defending the church. It may also be incorrect, but that's a separ…

That was in the comment that started this chain. Are you using an alt? I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to follow. If I were you I would take a breath and read the chain again. Here I'll help you: > Just about every kid goes to school though, so people just prefer to sweep that under the rug and focus on targeting organizations they are not a part of or disagree with because they're easier to demonize and mak…

Buddy, you are fighting windmills. You should go lie down.

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Post by throwaway85825 »

skissane wrote: post #298
basilikum wrote: post #294

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To play devil's advocate: child abuse is usually a crime without direct evidence. CSAM is child abuse but the perpetrator films their crime as evidence. Everyone else who obtains and keeps this material also holds evidence against themselves as the possession of it is the crime. Now for real: People often do not care a lot about child abuse. It does not affect them as it happens in private where they do not see it. C…

> CSAM is child abuse but the perpetrator films their crime as evidence This isn't entirely true. In much of the Western world – outside the US – CSAM (or equivalent legal terms such as "child pornography", "child abuse material", "child exploitation material", etc) can include text, drawings, AI-generated imagery, etc, which no child was abused to create, indeed the child depicted in it may be entirely fictional. Ca…

Not every problem can be fixed by making it illegal.

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Post by fluoridation »

rationalist wrote: post #301
fluoridation wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And those groups still have lower rates of abuse than Schools Is that in absolute terms, or per child who frequents the establishment?

> rates So something like 1 per 100,000; which of course is still 1 too many. (The other comments in other branches seem to prove my point. I am not defending any institution by the way. No one should be covering up crimes and/or allowing criminals to victimize people further.)

"Rate" is an ambiguous word. Molested children per year is a rate just as molested children per total children is.

>something like 1 per 100,000

What is this? What number are you citing, and where are you getting it from?

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Post by rationalist »

abayedris wrote: post #275
twuopf wrote: post #8

I know creating a throwaway to hide your name for an opinion is a bad manner, but this one is one I really don’t want linked back to me The VAST majority of “CSAM” is consensually created and exchanged by teens. Their future selves and their parents form this pressure group attacking everyone’s liberty and privacy to try to undo the downsides of choices they made themselves with full knowledge of what could happen. T…

Just by casually glancing at KMP or VoL, you'd find that even the darknet pedo community itself strongly vilifies actual child abuse (known as "hurtcore"). There's truly no place for people who rape children. They are scum of the earth even in the eyes of the scum of the earth itself.

> KMP or VoL

I'm aftaid of putting those terms in my search engine, can you please expand those acronyms?

Re: Apple defeats liability for not scanning iCloud for CSAM

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Post by nozzlegear »

mikenew wrote: post #90
amazingamazing wrote: post #4

It is crazy people think apple isnt on the side of privacy. Are they perfect? Not even close, but compared to the rest of big tech theyre simply on another level. Apple could easily not do this stuff and it may even be easier to not.

Apple is on the side of privacy if it serves their marketing. Which is why they would rather build and normalize CLIENT SIDE CONTENT SCANNING so they can continue to market iCloud as "secure and private". If Apple's interests sometimes align with ours then great. I'll take it. But don't attribute to this ~5 trillion dollar company some kind of altruism.

> If Apple's interests sometimes align with ours then great.

Altruism or not, I've found that their interests almost always align with mine when it comes to privacy.

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Post by throwaway17824 »

nativeit wrote: post #282
Hasz wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it isn't about CSAM, IMO. You see this with plenty of social issues, notably firearms ownership. The claim is we will restrict/license/outlaw xyz for the kids, but really, a data-drive approach would have focused on different things entirely (eg additional behavioral health services for kids, suicide prevention etc) The same technology/access used for CSAM identification can find copyrighted files, materials…

When did we aggressively legislate against, search for, monitor, investigate, and prosecute owning firearms?

I'm taking a guess at what the OP meant, but people focus on assault rifles and high-capacity magazines. Supposedly most incidents and deaths are caused by handguns. They're more affordable, and easy to discretely keep on your person. A data-driven policy would focus on them first, but it's easier to rile up the public about AR-15s so we keep doing the less-effective thing.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

amazingamazing wrote: post #4

It is crazy people think apple isnt on the side of privacy. Are they perfect? Not even close, but compared to the rest of big tech theyre simply on another level. Apple could easily not do this stuff and it may even be easier to not.

They aren't. They're on the side of making money and using backroom deals with the DOJ to avoid antitrust regulation. This is how a broken image hashing tool was surreptitiously installed on every iPhone.
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