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Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by julienb_sea »

sim04ful wrote: post #154

Maybe I'm missing something, but it feels like the economics of software are shifting. If companies can afford software tailored to their exact workflows for less than the annual cost of a single engineer, what does the moat of a traditional SaaS company become?

I think most companies have realized there is substantial value in terms of security maintenance, stability and the contractual obligations associated with SaaS vendors versus internal vibe-coded tools. Certainly there is a place for tailored internal tooling. But it isn't going to magically replace every use case that SaaS vendors are purpose built around solving, at least not anytime soon.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by nine_k »

tomaskafka wrote: post #140
swader999 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private groups are the worst thing in a truly collaborative environment. Would be nice in Slack to have a Publish this whole freaking thread to a public channel button.

But who is allowed to press it? If anyone, then anyone can expose career ruining messages from someone else, even inadvertently.

Every thread participant should check [_] I agree before the thread is published.

An inappropriate message may not be about something unsavory but about something private. Information about a contract which is not yet public. A discussion of a candidate who is then hired, and reads it. Etc.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by sulam »

baron3dl wrote: post #90
sulam wrote: post #79

I feel like this might be solving a real problem (agents having identity, access controls, etc that are provisioned like you would a regular user) — with this Nostr layer that doesn’t really provide any specific value that I can see. So actions are signed, great — this is like telling me I’m going to be using blockchain to store my files because I need crypto on top of my crypto. We see where that ended up. Is Nostr…

nostr solves for who owns the shared service. nobody. run your own, use an open relay, or pay for one from folks you trust.

The story right now is to own the least you possibly can, at least if you're a business. If I can buy it that's usually the right choice, in terms of opportunity cost if nothing else.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by garciasn »

SoftTalker wrote: post #184
tomaskafka wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who is allowed to press it? If anyone, then anyone can expose career ruining messages from someone else, even inadvertently.

Who would put a career ruining message on slack or any other company platform/service?

Seemingly benign and/or entirely work-related messages can turn out to be career-ending when weaponized by the company.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by AlotOfReading »

jaggederest wrote: post #147
another-dave wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding of what they were saying Buzz is is that agents are "1st class" users in their own right, rather than being an app integration. If you have a user called Claude, then you just apply ACL as normal & you don't care if they're human or bot, right?

The issue is when users interact with claude, what can they see? If the AI can see super-secret-payroll-details.md - is it allowed to discuss that with any user? is there some sort of internal ACL within claude that asks pretty please don't tell everyone they're underpaid? That's why multiuser agents can be an issue. The other way to do this, is to have claude installed for everyone, and any user's chat with claude u…

I'm not sure the permissions problem is solved even if we assume models inherit user permissions. Imagine I'm a manager and someone contacts me about an HR incident involving one of my reports, or other sensitive information. The agent probably shouldn't have access unless I explicitly provide it.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by appreciatorBus »

garciasn wrote: post #194
SoftTalker wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who would put a career ruining message on slack or any other company platform/service?

Seemingly benign and/or entirely work-related messages can turn out to be career-ending when weaponized by the company.

Or a coworker with an ax to grind.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by xyst »

tomaskafka wrote: post #140
swader999 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Private groups are the worst thing in a truly collaborative environment. Would be nice in Slack to have a Publish this whole freaking thread to a public channel button.

But who is allowed to press it? If anyone, then anyone can expose career ruining messages from someone else, even inadvertently.

Publishing "career ruining " messages on a company managed chat app is probably a bad idea in general.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by browningstreet »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #136
throwawa14223 wrote: post #64

Jack Dorsey has figured out how to make chat worse by adding LLMs.

I feel like chatGPT did that years ago...or maybe ELIZA?

We’re out of drinks. Can you two go get more wine coolers?

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by xyst »

coffeebeqn wrote: post #145
tomaskafka wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who is allowed to press it? If anyone, then anyone can expose career ruining messages from someone else, even inadvertently.

Can’t anyone already do that with a screenshot or a log dump? I’m always assuming company provided comms platforms are fully readable by the admins

It is. Firm I worked at had AI summarized chats delivered to admins and upper level management.

If you talk shit about your superiors, it will get back to them. Same with "anonymous" surveys.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by xyst »

nine_k wrote: post #192
tomaskafka wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But who is allowed to press it? If anyone, then anyone can expose career ruining messages from someone else, even inadvertently.

Every thread participant should check [_] I agree before the thread is published. An inappropriate message may not be about something unsavory but about something private. Information about a contract which is not yet public. A discussion of a candidate who is then hired, and reads it. Etc.

consent in a company managed chat app doesn’t exist
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