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Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by alex1138 »

georgemcbay wrote: post #39
jlarocco wrote: post #5

It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money.

> It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money. The "Zuckerberg Method". He wasn't the first, and won't be the last, but I'm pretty sure he has thrown the most shit.

If by throwing shit you mean copy everybody

No other company in the internet age has done what Facebook has. Zuckerberg -

Copies every product he sees. Copied Twitter, Snapchat. Lifted features from Google+ Overwrite people's public-facing emails, which hurts being able to use competitive services https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4151433 Apparently wrote some tool which allowed for data transfer into FB from Myspace, but not the other way around (yes, I know. In many ways Myspace was hot trash, that doesn't mean he wasn't a malicious actor to extreme extents Blocked links to competition Other things I can't remember right now

Say what you will about Myspace, or Friendster, or Google+ (I'm annoyed as anyone they thought a great method to get people to use it was "ok, we'll ask you again later" on Youtube) but Facebook has always rigged the game, they've been bad actors

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by mrcwinn »

muglug wrote: post #4

[I work for Slack, opinions very much my own] Having agents see everything you and your colleagues see is cool. The challenge comes when you want to make certain things private to certain people. In that world you don’t want multiplayer agents leaking data, so you end up having to write and maintain complex rulesets about what specific resources agents have access to. Single-player agents, on the other hand, are much…

Seems easy for Buzz to solve. I’m just happy to have an alternative to Slack.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by teach »

_verandaguy wrote: post #66
Jare wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it Slack's responsibility to help agents flourish? Technically, because if the world moves to AI-driven tools and Slack is not cooperating, it will no longer serve the world and will be left behind. > Isn't a tool supposed to work for you If you want AI integration in your chat and Slack is not helping make it happen, then Slack is not working for you. On the other hand, constantly chasing the latest fad can…

I think this is missing my implied point. Is this desire for AI integration actually coming from most people? Or is it a handful of decision makers who aren't thinking about the technology critically for one reason or another (either due to lack of information/understanding, or a financial stake)? AI is still seen very negatively in opinion polls across multiple countries, and anecdotally, tools which were often obno…

Just my two-cents as a very much boots-on-the-ground infrastructure engineer. We use LLMs heavily on my team -- to write code and review PRs. Our harnesses and guardrails are very very good so we get extremely high-quality output out of most models.

But getting the humans and agents to talk together is really fragmented right now. It's annoying that the agent with the context in my locally-installed Cursor can't really participate in a Slack conversation about a PR that 'it' principally authored (and which I've signed off on).

This is a real communication problem that we face every day, and eventually someone will solve it well and I will ask our leadership to give them a lot of money.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by darth_avocado »

jlarocco wrote: post #5

It's crazy how one lucky break lets somebody spend the rest of their life throwing s*t at the wall to see what sticks to earn them more money.

The fact that he does that instead of focusing on what he is already in charge of is egregious. If I was a Block shareholder looking at this, I’d be upset. It’s been years of him going on side quests like Tidal, blockchain, weekly etc. while ignoring the core needs of his customers and losing out on various fronts. Toast is a $20B company while Block is some $50B company after the acquisition of cash app (which by the way is a different conversation altogether) when Square should’ve had almost 90% market share is shameful.

The dude is clueless at the wheel and somehow people still keep giving him grace, when really he did a few things more than a decade ago and since then has mostly just fumbled around.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by teach »

asdev wrote: post #26

No one is going to churn Slack for this just because it is "Agent First". Slack is more than good enough to tag Agents and will fill in the missing pieces slowly

Slack's approach is NOT good enough, because the version of the Agent that lives in Slack cannot see the context of the Agent that lives inside Cursor on my developer laptop. They might be clones with identical brains, but they can't talk to each other or compare notes.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by Jare »

_verandaguy wrote: post #66
Jare wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it Slack's responsibility to help agents flourish? Technically, because if the world moves to AI-driven tools and Slack is not cooperating, it will no longer serve the world and will be left behind. > Isn't a tool supposed to work for you If you want AI integration in your chat and Slack is not helping make it happen, then Slack is not working for you. On the other hand, constantly chasing the latest fad can…

I think this is missing my implied point. Is this desire for AI integration actually coming from most people? Or is it a handful of decision makers who aren't thinking about the technology critically for one reason or another (either due to lack of information/understanding, or a financial stake)? AI is still seen very negatively in opinion polls across multiple countries, and anecdotally, tools which were often obno…

> Is this desire for AI integration actually coming from most people?

Ahhh I see. That's going to change a lot across companies, teams and individuals. My particular bubble is full of actual workers looking for ways to apply it and trying things to see what sticks, so that interpretation did not land in my head. If anything, decision makers around me are being encouraging, but cautious and throttling experiments and requests for access/connection/etc, and damn well they should because they are actually accountable for mishaps.

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by sulam »

I feel like this might be solving a real problem (agents having identity, access controls, etc that are provisioned like you would a regular user) — with this Nostr layer that doesn’t really provide any specific value that I can see. So actions are signed, great — this is like telling me I’m going to be using blockchain to store my files because I need crypto on top of my crypto. We see where that ended up. Is Nostr doing anything here that is actually a value add, vs a processing tax that could be done more efficiently with a shared service?

Re: Jack Dorsey launches Buzz to combine team chat, AI agents and Git hosting

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Post by ryanmerket »

jacobgold wrote: post #9

Slack exists largely because IRC was insufficient. It didn't natively support channel history, search, etc. For AI agents to flourish, Slack has to either truly open its network with a protocol or eventually be replaced. I'd like to see Slack embrace an AT protocol-based chat system, which then apps like Buzz could implement. Then users could log in with domain handles like @yourname.com, and agents could use handles…

man i love IRC, and you're 100% right
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