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Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by preg_match »

Varelion wrote: post #39

This process has been carried out, publicly, a few times. Every time the results not only fail to support the current regime's narrative, they actively goes against it. So, the question becomes: "Who is getting kickbacks for this 'deal'?" More importantly, how in the hell it this under the purview of ICE? Agencies and units have strictly outlined mission statements they are not supposed to go outside of. What kind of…

ICE has been basically transformed into the FBI but mostly targeting American citizens. The goal has been, for a while now, to develop a domestic military and intelligence apparatus that can be used against the American people where they are - in their cities, in their states.

The police largely failed this job. Too local, too much accountability if you can believe it. The government really wants a federal force, beholden only to the desires of the dictator. The constitution gets in the way a bit, as you can't just deploy the military domestically against the US people. So ICE it is.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by wat10000 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #114
Covzire wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? How do you audit or control for who shows up to vote? Do you check some kind of government ID or can anyone simply vote by claiming they are who they say they are?

I can't speak for California, but here in my area of NY you show up, give your name and address, which they find in the registered voters list, and you sign on an iPad that gets checked against the signature on file. Then you get handed a ballot. By the local volunteers who are mostly people from the neighborhood, plus observers from both major parties. Your neighbors are there checking in alongside you. Getting past…

If the person you're impersonating shows up to vote too, then that will be noticed and there will be questions. If they don't, there are still opportunities to notice issues after the fact. Get a list of who voted, call a random sample and ask if they actually voted. Check for dead people or noncitizens.

There isn't a ton of checking in advance but that doesn't mean we can't know if the results are legit. If there was a concerted, large-scale effort to impersonate voters, it could be done, and it would seriously screw things up. But it would not go undetected.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by preg_match »

Covzire wrote: post #104
epistasis wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are making up things, and then saying others are being disinformed? California's elections are widely audited, observed, and secure. Stop spreading lies.

Really? How do you audit or control for who shows up to vote? Do you check some kind of government ID or can anyone simply vote by claiming they are who they say they are?

You just don't require ID to know this. Voter ID is a very new construct and we don't need it, period. We already know who is and is not registered to vote and the voter registration process is pretty secure.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by RajT88 »

epistasis wrote: post #117
RajT88 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talking about social media strangeness. I've noticed on Facebook that when you make a comment on a political article, you will sometimes - within a minute or two - start getting failed login attempts or password reset attempts on your account. Given that your email address and phone are not visible unless you explicitly share them (and I use a pseudonym on FB), the implications are frankly chilling.

Could be coincidence, could be a data leak from Meta that wasn't reported, could be outside groups using LLMs to match profiles of text to external sources that do have your name... It's a wild world out there in political technology, and I probably can't even guess what's going on with half of it. Way back in the early 2010s I went to a data science meetup, way before facial recognition and face processing was easy,…

> I have zero doubt that it's possible somebody is scraping the replies to political articles and trying to take control of accounts that show any interest in politics, to use those accounts for other purposes because they appear to be valid accounts instead of bots.

I can't prove it, but it sure looks like this is what's going on with some of the accounts which are posting anti-datacenter content on FB. Old ladies inactive for years who all of a sudden become super activists.

A wild world indeed, and frustratingly one that Meta doesn't seem bothered by. Presumably because it drives engagement.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by ktm5j »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #109
ktm5j wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but is this really the best way to respond here? Won't this just give them the opportunity to claim that California is doing this specifically to hide fraud? $125 mil is a drop in the bucket compared to ICE's budget, if they want to spend it like this why not just let them? Thomson Reuters has an excellent track record of being impartial/non-partisan.. maybe we could finally get past…

California passes a law to protect consumers from data brokers amidst the destruction of the CFPB. Californians individually make use of these protections. Magas: "That just confirms voter fraud!" At this point it is simply best to ignore what they are saying or would say.

I assumed this was specifically in response to the Reuters deal, so my comment was off-base.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by cosmicgadget »

colpabar wrote: post #118
cosmicgadget wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California passes a law to protect consumers from data brokers amidst the destruction of the CFPB. Californians individually make use of these protections. Magas: "That just confirms voter fraud!" At this point it is simply best to ignore what they are saying or would say.

nice zinger, but they can still vote, and ignoring them does not seem to be working.

Zinger? I was just rephrasing the parent comment, highlighting how this has nothing to do with the reason DROP exists.

They are welcome to continue voting however they like, I'm not really looking to change any minds.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by ktm5j »

saghm wrote: post #107
ktm5j wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but is this really the best way to respond here? Won't this just give them the opportunity to claim that California is doing this specifically to hide fraud? $125 mil is a drop in the bucket compared to ICE's budget, if they want to spend it like this why not just let them? Thomson Reuters has an excellent track record of being impartial/non-partisan.. maybe we could finally get past…

The type of people who have been worked up about supposed voter fraud have rejected all existing evidence, so I don't know why you'd expect this go do any differently. Let's not forget that ICE has already admitted to lying directly to courts about the justification for their actions[1]; there's absolutely no reason to enable them in digging for more info. At absolute best, they're in a wild goose chase based on our…

Well presumably they might take this evidence seriously, since this time they're the ones who hired someone to do the research. Which is why I feel (maybe overly) optimistic that this might finally settle the issue.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by dylan604 »

dd8601fn wrote: post #100
opinion3k wrote: post #83

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Because he's turned them into his own secret police - they even wear masks to hide their identifies. Fun fact - ICE has only been around for a little over 20 years. It's not some sancrosanct entity that couldn't have its necessary functions moved to entities with some sort of actual oversight and eliminated.

Anywhere you move it, it's executive branch stuff. I'm not sure what a bureaucratic shuffle would buy you in today's environment.

well, in theory, Congress funds executive branch stuff. So if Congress had a spine and actually behaved the way it is meant, it could stop funding executive branch stuff it doesn't like. It could also pass laws limiting the stuff it didn't like. Man, those were some crazy people often known as founders for having such idealistic notions like that. They just were not able to think past their recent experiences of fighting a war to free themselves from the king to think that enough time could pass that the slippery slope could hit bottom to allow for the modern day results

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by epistasis »

RajT88 wrote: post #124
epistasis wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could be coincidence, could be a data leak from Meta that wasn't reported, could be outside groups using LLMs to match profiles of text to external sources that do have your name... It's a wild world out there in political technology, and I probably can't even guess what's going on with half of it. Way back in the early 2010s I went to a data science meetup, way before facial recognition and face processing was easy,…

> I have zero doubt that it's possible somebody is scraping the replies to political articles and trying to take control of accounts that show any interest in politics, to use those accounts for other purposes because they appear to be valid accounts instead of bots. I can't prove it, but it sure looks like this is what's going on with some of the accounts which are posting anti-datacenter content on FB. Old ladies i…

In addition to the immediate gains of engagement, the ability to manipulate public opinion through campaigns like this are pretty explicitly the goal of some Silicon Valley oligarchs, especially the PayPal Mafia. They believe that they can control the monster that they have created in their own favor. Time will tell!

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by thrance »

dweinus wrote: post #113

Why is this flagged?

HN ownership is complicit. They've been censoring everything "political" recently, as it becomes harder and harder to rationalize this regime's exactions. Used to be that such links would show up in the front page of /active daily, now there can be weeks without any passing by.
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