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Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by jmye »

quickthrowman wrote: post #76
wat10000 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that everyone doesn't know this to be false. A substantial portion of the population "knows" it to be true.

> The problem is that everyone doesn't know this to be false. A substantial portion of the population "knows" it to be true. If they choose to believe a histrionic liar, that’s their problem. The rest of us don’t have to entertain their credulousness and ignorance. Repeating lies doesn’t make them true, it only makes credulous people believe it. Once the aggrieved-in-chief victim of the century is out of office, the…

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Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by gbear605 »

gcanyon wrote: post #61
moate wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you wonder that: https://polymarket.com/event/will-the-2026-midterm-elections... Of course they are.

Wow, 97% that there will be elections. That's high, but if you handed me a gun with a 3% chance of being loaded and offered me a billion dollars to point it at my head and pull the trigger, I would not. My foot on the other hand...

It's worth noting that Polymarket (and all other prediction markets using money) has some fundamental problems that cause inaccuracy. Most notably here, the elections are still several months out, so you're asking people to put up 97 cents to get a dollar back in three months. But for that time frame I could also put 97 cents in treasuries and get 98 cents back, so the market won't be accurate within 1% of reality, and treasuries are considered a good deal safer than Polymarket.

In addition, there can be issues related to fees, Kelly betting (if the correct bet is 98%, don't want to bet all the way to 98% or you have no returns and you definitely don't want to put all of your wallet in on it in case it goes against you), and so on.

So this isn't a "3% chance of the elections happening" it's "3%, plus or minus the rate of return over three months, plus or minus all the other related issues". I don't know if that gets you down to zero percent, but it definitely gets you closer.

(Yes Polymarket has tried to do some things to resolve these issue, no they don't work very well.)

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by anigbrowl »

quickthrowman wrote: post #76
wat10000 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that everyone doesn't know this to be false. A substantial portion of the population "knows" it to be true.

> The problem is that everyone doesn't know this to be false. A substantial portion of the population "knows" it to be true. If they choose to believe a histrionic liar, that’s their problem. The rest of us don’t have to entertain their credulousness and ignorance. Repeating lies doesn’t make them true, it only makes credulous people believe it. Once the aggrieved-in-chief victim of the century is out of office, the…

It absolutely becomes everyone else's problem when they start shooting people or seizing control of things they're not supposed to. If you wait to the point that it affects you personally, it will probably be too late to do anything about it. Refusing to believe in something doesn't immunize you from force wielded by people who do believe it.

Once the aggrieved-in-chief victim of the century is out of office, the theatrics around election fraud will cease.

We could all hope so, but this is a very passive response. Do you really think the people in the President's orbit are unaware of his advanced age and declining health, or are willing to just return to private life and give up power once he dies of natural causes? It seems far more likely to me that they know he could go any time and have some sort of plan to stick around. While none of them have exert the same sort of charismatic influence as the President does, do you really imagine that they and the substantial bloc of voters behind them are just going to magically come back to their centrist senses and abandon their violent and paranoid ethos?

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by cosmicgadget »

ivell wrote: post #35
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #2

I found it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Raffensperger_ph...

Because there are no consequences of Trump's actions, he would continue to commit offenses. Neither Biden's administration, nor the judge presiding over Trump's crimes did what should have been done. The checks and balances failed both when Trump was in power and when he was not in power.

You conclusion is true but how you get there is deeply flawed.

With the recent immunity ruling and the impossibility of the Senate upholding impeachment, yes, the president can basically try anything he wants.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by legitster »

doctoboggan wrote: post #12
sanex wrote: post #7

Pretty sure you're supposed to get a warrant to access private information. I don't know how we ended up in this place where somehow paying for info precludes the necessity to get a warrant a la flock, cell tower data, etc.

The legal argument is that we gave this data "voluntarily" to the data broker so the government no longer needs a warrant. This is an area that desperately needs new laws to catch up to the reality of what is going on, but I don't really see much motion toward that goal in the near future.

To put it more specifically the third-party doctrine needs reforms.

There are lots of things that are public information. Anyone can request public records like land titles, marriage certificates, bankruptcy filings, etc. Even ostensibly social media posts I'm kind of okay with being treated as public information.

The question is - why is Thomson Reuters allowed to get my utility records? If you call up my utility, this is not information they will give you. But Thomson Reuters is allowed to have it.

The utility can point to the language of the contract and say it's in their terms and conditions, but for the most part, I as a consumer don't have a choice between utility companies. And the law appreciates that access to water and electricity is a right - but yet these utilities enjoy a monopoly, so the idea that accepting their terms and conditions was a consumer choice wouldn't stand up to any strong legal scrutiny.

>I don't really see much motion toward that goal in the near future.

There is progress! Carpenter v. United States was a clear win that is still slowly matriculating through the legal system.

More importantly, the Not For Sale act passed the House not too long ago with broad bipartisan support. It's stalled in the Senate (of course) - but it's clearly something that has legislative attention.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by ktm5j »

njovin wrote: post #8

If you're a California resident, under the CCPA you can submit a request for Thomson Reuters to both provide you with and then delete any information they have collected about you. The state's even setup a nice portal to automate these requests across 600+ data brokers. https://privacy.ca.gov/drop/

This may be an unpopular opinion, but is this really the best way to respond here? Won't this just give them the opportunity to claim that California is doing this specifically to hide fraud? $125 mil is a drop in the bucket compared to ICE's budget, if they want to spend it like this why not just let them? Thomson Reuters has an excellent track record of being impartial/non-partisan.. maybe we could finally get past the nonsense election rigging claims. Just my 2c

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by Varelion »

imglorp wrote: post #71
Varelion wrote: post #39

This process has been carried out, publicly, a few times. Every time the results not only fail to support the current regime's narrative, they actively goes against it. So, the question becomes: "Who is getting kickbacks for this 'deal'?" More importantly, how in the hell it this under the purview of ICE? Agencies and units have strictly outlined mission statements they are not supposed to go outside of. What kind of…

They are trying to confuse voter fraud with election fraud so they can justify ICE election interference in November. There are only a small handful of voter fraud cases per year: someone tried to vote for a dead relative or whatever. Never enough to change an outcome. https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/how-many-cases-of-... On the other hand, potentially far more impactful is election fraud and election inter…

I can't believe this is how the guise of democracy in this country dies.

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by morkalork »

imglorp wrote: post #71
Varelion wrote: post #39

This process has been carried out, publicly, a few times. Every time the results not only fail to support the current regime's narrative, they actively goes against it. So, the question becomes: "Who is getting kickbacks for this 'deal'?" More importantly, how in the hell it this under the purview of ICE? Agencies and units have strictly outlined mission statements they are not supposed to go outside of. What kind of…

They are trying to confuse voter fraud with election fraud so they can justify ICE election interference in November. There are only a small handful of voter fraud cases per year: someone tried to vote for a dead relative or whatever. Never enough to change an outcome. https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/how-many-cases-of-... On the other hand, potentially far more impactful is election fraud and election inter…

I'm still suspicious of actions like this: https://abcnews.com/US/dominion-voting-systems-sold-company-...

Re: ICE to Pay Thomson Reuters $125M to Find Voter Fraud

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Post by dd8601fn »

opinion3k wrote: post #83
Varelion wrote: post #39

This process has been carried out, publicly, a few times. Every time the results not only fail to support the current regime's narrative, they actively goes against it. So, the question becomes: "Who is getting kickbacks for this 'deal'?" More importantly, how in the hell it this under the purview of ICE? Agencies and units have strictly outlined mission statements they are not supposed to go outside of. What kind of…

Because he's turned them into his own secret police - they even wear masks to hide their identifies. Fun fact - ICE has only been around for a little over 20 years. It's not some sancrosanct entity that couldn't have its necessary functions moved to entities with some sort of actual oversight and eliminated.

Anywhere you move it, it's executive branch stuff.

I'm not sure what a bureaucratic shuffle would buy you in today's environment.

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