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Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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That's while being the world's factory, having lots of green energy, electric cars and an ACUTE motivation to reduce oil imports. Coal is a problem but at least they're not canceling half-finished green energy products when administrations change.

are you advocating for not changing administrations?

Is that a good faith question? Please check the site guidelines.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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China emits 3x more co2 than the US and last year their rate of increase was 2.5x that of the US. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by...

"big number bad" isn't a great way of analysing the data, because China has a massively larger population. The US emits 49% more CO2 per capita than China. And even with the much larger rate of increase, 0.79% to US' 0.3%, it'll still require 81 years to catch up to the US per capita rate [0]. The US aren't the good guys here, not by any means. Compared to my country, for instance, the US' emissions are 3x per capita…

I don't think per capita emissions is the only metric that should be used. Environmental impact is not measured per capita. Also it blames people in the US for energy consumed here to manufacture which includes exports for people abroad. The US's per capita emissions are not even far away from other similar nations. It's a data point, sure. It's comparable to Canada and Australia and even South Korea. Where did you get that the US emits 45x the UK?

Another point is there is evidence[1] China has cheated and manipulated their data[2]. I don't like this "who are the good guys" game. Anyone playing this game is just looking to create a narrative about good and bad guys.

[1]: https://www.spglobal.com/energy/en/news-research/latest-news...

[2]: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-chinas-new-carbon-metri...

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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it's a real paradox, that chinese models are what guards democratization and private use of ai while us models are moted castles with "kings" crying that you are stealing their legally stolen goods... what times we are living in...

It blows my mind that these two companies are going to mint billionaires, meanwhile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz was bullied to death by the state for sharing academic papers which were at least in part, if not largely, paid for by tax dollars.

> which were at least in part, if not largely, paid for by tax dollars

They were all in the public domain too.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #492

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it's a real paradox, that chinese models are what guards democratization and private use of ai while us models are moted castles with "kings" crying that you are stealing their legally stolen goods... what times we are living in...

It blows my mind that these two companies are going to mint billionaires, meanwhile https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz was bullied to death by the state for sharing academic papers which were at least in part, if not largely, paid for by tax dollars.

"You need to understand that Sam can never be trusted ... He is a sociopath. He would do anything."

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #548

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AI has forced a dramatic shift in my view on intellectual property. The laws as they exist only protect corporations now. They do not protect individuals no matter how much people want to think they do. AI has proven this. I think to level the playing field all copyright, trademarks, and patents laws should be eliminated. If I want to make a marvel movie, I should be allowed to and profit from it. AI let the cat out…

Or we could build on and enforce the 300+ years of thought and trial that went into copyright law so that individuals are re-empowered. But nah, let's do the most radical, least thought out thing, and absolutely destroy small scale creators. I'm sure Amazon will be benevolent and continue to pay writers in your scenario. What is with 2026 and just conceding civilization to the worst actors, and then adopting the wors…

When exactly did rulers thought about copyrights with the goal of empowering the people?

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #451

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https://thereallo.dev/blog/claude-code-prompt-steganography Why should I trust a US company more than a Chinese one?

You shouldn't trust either but also this is whataboutism.

No it's not. There is a difference between a comparison and whataboutism

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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I'm afraid to trust technology coming from companies operating under the jurisdiction of a rogue aggressive nation that is continuously attacking other nations both (so called) ally and foe using economic and military actions.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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1) Model distillation is the process of transferring knowledge from a large model to a smaller one. It doesn't require logits. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_distillation 2) The word "attack" is standard security vocabulary. Per RFC 4949: attack 1. (I) An intentional act by which an entity attempts to evade security services and violate the security policy of a system. That is, an actual assault on system se…

> Model distillation is the process of transferring knowledge from a large model to a smaller one Sure, and large-to-small is a key part of the definition, and why it's called distillation (cf concentrating something). When Anthopic use synthetic data generated by Opus to train Sonnet or Haiku, then this can correctly be considered a type of distillation. When Anthropic accuse Chinese companies of "distillation", it…

Not to mention the "distilled" models almost certainly have other training inputs as well, again watering down the meaning of the word.

And if just partial output is all that it takes to declare a model distilled, then every model trained on Internet content since 2023 is now technically a "distilled" ChatGPT and Claude model.

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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What's wrong if the roles of USA and China are reversed in technology? Why does the rest of the world care? It's not as if USA has done a great good for the world, and China has evil intentions towards the world. Infact it is the opposite in the case of AI so far.

I feel like I'm crazy here but isn't China just sitting there doing nothing?

On one hand there's the relentless barage of American propaganda. I get that a militaristic society needs an enemy to fight against lest they turn on each other. I get that if you tell people a bad guy is coming for your jobs or your lives then you can maybe get your workers to accept worse conditions and living standards which increases profits. It's ghoulish but there's some logic.

On the other hand I can't see China doing anything except minding its own business. No tariffs. No bullying other nations. No wars started. No threatening allies. They don't let their people waste their lives on brain rot or gambling. They largely align with UN resolutions. They respect international institutions instead of always being the asterisk.

Has American propaganda just failed to work outside it's borders? It's not landing at all

Re: Who's afraid of Chinese models?

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post #682

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Sure but if you are not Chinese or in China, then the chances of negative consequences to you from the Chinese feds is vanishingly small due to lack of ability to do anything that affects you. Meanwhile if you are in the US, DHS has already subpoenaed social media sites looking for people who made anti-ICE posts and I can't imagine they consider subpoenaing AI conversations off limits https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/…

Also the US government has defacto extra-territorial jurisdiction due to the willingness of allied countries (i.e. most of the developed world) to extradite. Of course only applies when they really want to get you, but that's still a risk.

As a less extreme example: consider how many non-USA hosts say they follow the DMCA.
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