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Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Post by eesmith »

cramer4next wrote: post #266
matchstickman23 wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention that to get around RealID with flights, you just have to pay $45 and you're good to go. Since we all know that bad actors don't have access to that sort of money...

Can you expand on this? How can you board a flight without realID for $45?

It is called "TSA ConfirmID". https://www.tsa.gov/tsaconfirm-id

"If you are unable to provide the required acceptable ID, such as a passport or REAL ID, you can pay a $45 fee to use TSA ConfirmID. TSA will then attempt to verify your identity so you can go through security; however, there is no guarantee TSA can do so."

From https://thepointsguy.com/news/tsa-security-with-confirmid/ :

"TSA agents pull you aside for secondary screenings and to verify your identity. ... After looking me up in his system, [the supervisor] asked me a series of questions only I could answer (previous addresses and that sort of thing)."

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Post by mothballed »

anticensor wrote: post #307
axus wrote: post #290

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In the US, we like to reduce state capacity. Helps limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power.

Except such a federal ID already exists: the Passport Card. Make it free to obtain and mandatory to use.

Passport card can be revoked over fairly small amounts of late child support which applies to a surprisingly large portion of America, particularly historically oppressed minorities. It would be quite foolish to rely on that for identification if you have children as a simple divorce could put you in instant arrears and cause you to lose your ID.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Post by shiandow »

villish wrote: post #294
shiandow wrote: post #291

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The value was always in the connection not any individual datum. Besides, I choose what information I link to this identity do I not? You're welcome to my views and their connection to each other. Doesn't mean I want you to know everything else.

What is more personal than the contents of your mind? Each interaction and comment is a piece of information which when combined is much more revealing about you than fingerprints. It's not as personal as your diary, but it is the closest thing to it.

You're free to know me, but not where I live. It's not hard to see the difference in types of personal information.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Post by throwawayffffas »

dinkelberg wrote: post #137
eigenspace wrote: post #118

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What's unclear to me here is this: under this new scheme does the USA get access to the biometric data of people not travelling to the USA?

From the analysis linked in TFA: "The automated query can be based on: * Identity information included in the application or in travel documents, such as name, date of birth, national ID number, and/or * the fingerprint of an individual." Sounds like they could send requests to that computer system just based on publicly available information on a person like name and date of birth, even if the person never applied f…

They probably could, but if done on a large scale, they are likely to be detected.

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Post by coldtea »

throwawayffffas wrote: post #334
dinkelberg wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the analysis linked in TFA: "The automated query can be based on: * Identity information included in the application or in travel documents, such as name, date of birth, national ID number, and/or * the fingerprint of an individual." Sounds like they could send requests to that computer system just based on publicly available information on a person like name and date of birth, even if the person never applied f…

They probably could, but if done on a large scale, they are likely to be detected.

That would matter if officials on the other side cared and weren't oking it.

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Post by coldtea »

axus wrote: post #290
whimsicalism wrote: post #235

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A national ID system (standard in effectively all European countries) is table stakes for state capacity. I find the RealID opposition baffling.

In the US, we like to reduce state capacity. Helps limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power.

And how's that been working out for you?

Not asking whether "reducing state capacity" helps with that. Asking how's that "reducing" going.

Re: The EU is about to sell our most sensitive data to the US for visa-free travel

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Post by greatgib »

maratc wrote: post #12

The point missing in the article is that, in order to enter the US, one needs to give the US Govt their photo and fingerprints ("biometric data") anyway. There are two options: visa-free with the biometric data passing on the wire (no hassle), or visa (a major hassle) and biometric data passing in the airport (a minor one). As a side note, the EU also collects photo and fingerprints from visitors now. Whereas in the…

First it could be something depending on you enrolling like airport fastpass and second it would be a feature that it is complicated for both side to record and process the info so that they have the incentive to do the minimum possible.

But don't be naive, clearly US is not pushing so strong on this feature that it is clearly not just to facilitate your travel and reduce processing time but because they know that they will be able to tap as a friser in the best biometric database of foreign citizens that they could.

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Post by whimsicalism »

markdown wrote: post #305
dpark wrote: post #292

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This seems deeply delusional at this point.

As delusional as thinking the 2nd amendment will help "limit the damage bad actors can do when they are in power".

no, it’s actually the same delusion as that one

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Post by aboardRat4 »

eesmith wrote: post #329
whimsicalism wrote: post #235

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A national ID system (standard in effectively all European countries) is table stakes for state capacity. I find the RealID opposition baffling.

The major European exception being the UK, which doesn't issue identity cards and somehow manages. (Apparently Andorra doesn't either.) You might consider it part of the Anglosphere mentality as Canada, the US, Australia, the Bahamas, and New Zealand don't have national ID. I've never understood the problem that RealID is supposed to solve. How is it TSA can accept a Veteran Health Identification Card or photo identi…

>How is it TSA can accept a Veteran Health Identification Card or photo identification card issued by a federally recognized tribe, and the passports from every country in the world, but not a state-issued ID which is not REAL ID-compliant?

They can only accept them before IDs are implemented of course, as a poor substitute. After national id documents are standardised, it's just them, nothing else counts.

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Post by testing22321 »

maratc wrote: post #325
testing22321 wrote: post #220

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Never had a problem, never any hint or talk that anything is amiss. Always extremely routine.

Well, entering the US an average of 7.5 times each year is hardly usual, unless one's a Canadian living near the border and jumping to a Costco on the other side.

Live in Canada, not a citizen.

It’s nice to go south to Alaska and see liquid water for 6 months of the year when we can’t.

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