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> human rights and all that rubbish Denying human rights. Classic. Sorry - you instantly lost any respect I could have maybe had for your opinion.
Perhaps whenever a US firm, eg. Open AI, Anthropic, Gemini, Grok etc. release a model. Top comments should be criticising US torture camps in Guantanamo bay or their recent bombing of a girls school in Iran.
I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…
the lag is because closed ai orgs are sucking up most of the talent and monopolizing resources.
Not that your criticism of HN comments aren't deserved-- but the people commenting here are not usually people who would be doing something useful otherwise.
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And I remember Sam Altman saying 2 years ago or more, that hallucination was already "fixed" internally. Well, clearly not.
I've been seeing more "grounding" messages in the thinking log of Claude models. I guess that's "do a web search, read the docs", probably designed to mitigate hallucinations. I am surprised by how much the really giant models hallucinate, though. My vague feeling was that little models hallucinate a lot because they just don't know anything (the world's knowledge simply does not fit in a few GB) and don't know how t…
Without search, of course. In theory this should be easy, because clearly the Wikipedia data it's in the model.
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You're making an assumption that's debatable, but let's just assume it's correct. The reality is that China won't be the only to achieve such. In the same way that the US put arguably the best minds in the world towards developing the atom bomb, and within a few years the Soviets had theirs as well. Shortly thereafter they were popping up all over Europe. It's kind of the story of LLMs in general - once people saw it…
> You're making an assumption that's debatable, but let's just assume it's correct. The reality is that China won't be the only to achieve such. In the same way that the US put arguably the best minds in the world towards developing the atom bomb, and within a few years the Soviets had theirs as well. I never said other countries won't gain access to the technology. The point is that the 1st country to achieve that l…
That's still speculative. We have something of a basis for speculation with the way LLMs influenced software engineering, but it's not necessarily applicable to "literally every sector" of scientific progress. If their quantum leap is anything like vibe coding, then it will quickly become an unmanageable cesspit lacking accountability and grasping at notoriety. We have precious little to show for half a decade of LLM-generated code, nobody disrupted the FAANG incumbents by using an LLM to crack the digital secrets of the universe.
The safety angle played its card and lost. We've been generating trillions upon trillions of tokens, and nobody has raised the dead or made The Bomb with red mercury. Smarter AI clearly isn't a panacea.
> I get some people are hoping that AI research is for the benefit of all, and I do too, but that is wishful thinking.
You're way too lost in the plot. Technology can absolutely be used for ill, and no doubt AI has already contributed to reprehensible things. But it cannot turn lead into gold. It cannot reveal the face of God or compute The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. The ultimate threat of AI is the stuff it can already do - cosine similarity search on billions of discrete records, automated labeling with computer vision, multimodal analysis and corroboration pipelines. The hypothetical scenario where superintelligence is made is a thought-terminating cliche that is driving people into a zealous fervor.
I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…
It's a western site in English where a bulk of users are in the US, which has an adversarial relationship to the US... where many working in IT aren't even allowed to consider Chinese services or products directly (even if what you're getting was half made in China or controlled spaces). I can't even consider Chinese AI tools for my own use on my own time on my own hardware without potentially risking firing or worse…
... from servers owned and operated in the US by US providers? Go check out the list of providers on ex openrouter for ex the latest deepseek model. Some of them even fall under the zero data retention agreement.
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> Most people aren't entirely convinced that AI will ever be "too valuable" in the first place. There will be a generational leap that makes current LLMs obsolete in every way. Let's say China gets there first, why would the CCP let it be released publicly? That is an insanely valuable advantage in everything from war fighting to economics and more. Humans for millennia have used technological advances to make better…
> Let's say China gets there first, why would the CCP let it be released publicly? That is an insanely valuable advantage in everything from war fighting to economics and more. Because China is based in a completely different set of values than the USA. They look at the world differently, and have a different understanding of it. Your assumption that your attitude is pure human nature is deeply grounded in your cultu…
Consider that the US was intimately involved with the start of the FOSS movement. Compilers and commercial operating systems are hugely valuable.
Also consider that history the world over is littered with counterexamples. Historical China itself is rife with examples of technological secrecy and exclusivity.
No competent government will voluntarily release (or allow to be released by its subjects) technology that would give them a meaningful advantage on the world stage.
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Perhaps whenever a US firm, eg. Open AI, Anthropic, Gemini, Grok etc. release a model. Top comments should be criticising US torture camps in Guantanamo bay or their recent bombing of a girls school in Iran.
The difference is that Chinese companies and their government are much more intertwined than their American (or Western, in general) counterparts. It seems much more reasonable to look at actions a Chinese company takes through the lens of what their government wants, than it does to do the same for a Western company.
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Here's what qwen 3.8 max preview generated when prompted with "create an svg of a pelican riding a bicycle" https://cypressf.com/qwen38-pelican.svg Notably it added a cheeky fish in the beak.
What method did you use to generate that one? I tried using their OpenAI-compatible API and got one that's a lot less fun (no animation) - https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht...
It took a LOT of reasoning time before it spit it out. 10 min or more?
I wish I had created an account first because I lost the chain-of-thought that it used. I remember a couple highlights. There was an internal monologue about whether it was worth it to animate the legs and pedals, and a lot of repeated text about focusing on “a cohesive visual design.”
I don’t make svg art so I’m no expert, but I am also surprised at how small the resulting svg ended up. I expected LLM output to be more verbose, especially considering the animations.
I’m curious what happens if you retry a couple times. The nondeterminism might be strong enough to have highly variable outcomes.
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> You're making an assumption that's debatable, but let's just assume it's correct. The reality is that China won't be the only to achieve such. In the same way that the US put arguably the best minds in the world towards developing the atom bomb, and within a few years the Soviets had theirs as well. I never said other countries won't gain access to the technology. The point is that the 1st country to achieve that l…
> The point is that the 1st country to achieve that leap will get to use it to gain advantages in literally every sector. That's still speculative. We have something of a basis for speculation with the way LLMs influenced software engineering, but it's not necessarily applicable to "literally every sector" of scientific progress. If their quantum leap is anything like vibe coding, then it will quickly become an unman…
I believe it is an inevitability and I'm not speculating whether it's in 10 or 50 years.
I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…