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Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by simondotau »

benterix wrote: post #656
cnhwl wrote: post #583

I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…

> human rights and all that rubbish While I understand your point, please think a bit how you formulated the sentence above.

I almost choked on my tea when I read that. I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed. A shocking turn of phrase, and one that IMHO catastrophically devalues the nominally valid argument underlying that post.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by jknoepfler »

TheDong wrote: post #335
kelnos wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's hard to say what their motivation is. Feels pretty easy to me. They want to turn LLMs into a commodity, and watch the US AI labs crash and burn. There will still be plenty of customers who will pay them to host the models and run inference, even if the weights are open and others can offer competing products. (If necessary, the Chinese government can ban use of foreign inference services by Chinese citizens an…

I feel like there could also be a simpler explanation. Why does a debian contributor make debian free, why do they work on this thing anyone can use? Is it because linux and debian hate windows and iOS and want to see american fail? No, it's because most debian contributors believe software source code, information, should be free, users should be free to modify the code they use, and that they're building a thing th…

The capital required to train Qwen at scale is enormous. The capital required to patch a linux distro is near zero. Any scale model coming out of China should be viewed as advancing a geopolitical agenda. The same skepticism should be applied to any model trained in the states, but that should be viewed through the lens of short-term business profits.

There are earnest nerds everywhere, in every society. No doubt. But "Chinese AI Labs" operate at the whim of the Chinese government, in the same way "American AI Labs" operate at the whim of billionaire investors. Inferring good will from either is naive at best at this scale.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by wvlia5 »

benterix wrote: post #656
cnhwl wrote: post #583

I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…

> human rights and all that rubbish While I understand your point, please think a bit how you formulated the sentence above.

I think it's well formulated.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by sdoering »

Suzuran wrote: post #681
sdoering wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> human rights and all that rubbish Denying human rights. Classic. Sorry - you instantly lost any respect I could have maybe had for your opinion.

You are not allowed to discuss human rights until your government stops its unprovoked war on Iran, issues a full repudiation of the policies that led to it, and makes full reparations to the entire rest of the world whose energy prices you have driven up for the benefit of a handful of wealthy inside traders. Edit: Parent poster wasn't American. I incorrectly assumed their nationality.

Not a US citizen. But yeah, Germany does quit a lot of shit these days as well and will be doing even more, once we get our far right government after the next election. Will be the day I set my bug out plan in motion.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by cypressf »

simonw wrote: post #525

(I can't draw a pelican for this one because Alibaba Cloud have flagged my email address and won't let me pay them for access. So I'm waiting for the open weights release, or for the new model to show up on OpenRouter.)

Here's what qwen 3.8 max preview generated when prompted with "create an svg of a pelican riding a bicycle"

https://cypressf.com/qwen38-pelican.svg

Notably it added a cheeky fish in the beak.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by kelipso »

ykonstant wrote: post #645
epolanski wrote: post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he means rubbish as in completely off topic.

Perhaps, but I am struggling to find a worse phrasing to get a point across.

The guy is using translation software to post it. So maybe don’t take the phrasing into consideration too much and focus on the intended meaning behind it.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by Suzuran »

sdoering wrote: post #695
Suzuran wrote: post #681

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not allowed to discuss human rights until your government stops its unprovoked war on Iran, issues a full repudiation of the policies that led to it, and makes full reparations to the entire rest of the world whose energy prices you have driven up for the benefit of a handful of wealthy inside traders. Edit: Parent poster wasn't American. I incorrectly assumed their nationality.

Not a US citizen. But yeah, Germany does quit a lot of shit these days as well and will be doing even more, once we get our far right government after the next election. Will be the day I set my bug out plan in motion.

My apologies for incorrectly assuming your nationality.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by overgard »

Aurornis wrote: post #519
overgard wrote: post #495

I've been using Qwen 3.6 27B with LMStudio, and I was pleasantly surprised with it, although it was a little slow. I found mtplx last night, and it really wasn't an exaggeration to say that it ran the model 2-3x faster which was super impressive. I'm trying to move to local models as much as I can, and I'm finding that it's becoming more and more practical. Admittedly this is on a $6000 dollar laptop (M5 Max Macbook…

> Admittedly this is on a $6000 dollar laptop (M5 Max Macbook with the specs maxxed out) Sadly that laptop is likely $8000 now, after the recent price increase.

Woof, I thought you might be exaggerating but I priced it out and you're right, it's actually way over $8000 now. I hate how the AI industry is making everything more expensive for everyone.
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