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Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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They are a hyper local business. The chance of making any revenue off EU users is close to 0, which is much higher than the cost of figuring out EU compliance. The conversation went like this: IT director: “If we serve ads or collect data from EU users we have to be GDPR compliant. That’ll cost several thousand dollars worth of employee time” Exec: “how much revenue is attributable to EU users.” IT: “Single digit dol…

GDPR compliance is good IT practice. It's easy to do, good for users, and states are rolling out similar laws. But now, instead of their story being read by people all over the world, having gone viral, it's just going to pirated. Not only losing them out on revenue, but recognition as well. This is part of the long death of online local news. They can't be bothered to do the simplest things for their site (make pers…

"We might, maybe, have some article go viral some day. With unknown revenue implications." is a weak argument for trying to figure out and maintain GDPR compliance, which costs real money right now, today. And you have to be sure to maintain that compliance as the web site evolves.

It's such a low-probability event that I don't blame them for just saying, "Nah. Not gonna hassle with that."

The recognition argument is also quite weak--it's not like recognition pays the bills.

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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No one is going to go around complying with random rules from other countries, man. If you don't serve that population, just opt them out.

They complied by building a blocking system, instead of just disabling cookies with a flag, which would have taken exactly the same effort.

This would be true if they were working from a baremetal Apache server. But they seem to be using a vendor, Cloudflare, for their CDN. And so I strongly suspect that they used their existing Cloudflare account to do it. Just type the countries you want to block into a field in the Cloudflare UI and you're done. I've used that UI myself (not for GPDR reasons but for compliance with my countries sanctions). Significantly easier than controlling the cookies and data retention and getting an audit to certify compliance, which I've also done.

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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> Can anyone rationally explain why a police agency that is interested in Flock would like to see one third-party camera integration that is in a children’s gymnastics room? I could think of one reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

At what current govt is doing the assumption it's for the pedophiles is far more likely.

Companies push not only age verification (in way that usually is not anonymous) and cameras everywhere will give any pedophile with access to that location of any child they can get their hands of, their daily habits and when it's easiest to nab one of them.

They are creating Pedo Nexus, whether knowingly or not.

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

You don't need 24/7, online, searchable, AI enabled video feed to stop any of that

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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> Can anyone rationally explain why a police agency that is interested in Flock would like to see one third-party camera integration that is in a children’s gymnastics room? I could think of one reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

The cops stood outside Uvalde. There was an army of police and they stood outside. There is no duty to protect in the US.

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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I’m still not clear why US companies with no business units in Europe feel the need to make any changes at all to be in compliance with a law that has no jurisdiction over them, but agree that Geofencing is a cheaper solution than asking a lawyer.

Because they have identifiable owners who might wish to travel to Europe and not risk someone deciding to make an example of them.

the idea of the owners of a small, regional US news website being arrested while traveling in Europe because that site does not have a GDPR compliant cookie policy seems utterly detached from reality

I would be more worried about being struck by a meteorite than such a thing

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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Because they have identifiable owners who might wish to travel to Europe and not risk someone deciding to make an example of them.

You're making the point even stronger for US companies to just block EU traffic entirely. If you have no EU customers, the mere act of letting EU visitors on your site might cause an EU country to "make an example" of you for incorrect data handling, but the alternative of just blocking all traffic would let you travel to the EU without issues.

Well, my point was that a site owner shouldn’t even bother with geofencing, but I guess I’ll accept “may want to travel to europe someday” as a reason to fear legal repercussions

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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The GDPR can state whatever it wants but what are the consequences? If the taliban pass a law about what is required to serve websites in Afghanistan, for instance, what obligation am I under to even notice? If I am Reuters and AP and have offices in EU of course I am interested in complying with local law, but it doesn’t make sense to me for a local newspaper to care whether they are in compliance with foreign statu…

Westerners don't travel to Afghanistan. Europe is not a pariah continent. Does this really need to be explained to you? You think global integration with Europe vs Afghanistan is comparable?

Obviously an extreme comparison to make a point because either way it’s not going to result in me being extradited

Still I will maintain that individuals are not going to face repercussions on vacation because they happen to manage a web property out of compliance with GDPR

Re: The creepiest 'sales demo' of all time

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Why is this site blocked in the EU ? Was disabling cookies on your static page that hard ?

You're not missing anything. Here is the full text: (this could have been an email:) On Sept. 30, 2025, a Flock vice president logged into the Dunwoody PD’s Flock system and looked at a camera in the children’s gymnastics room of a private community center here in Dunwoody. He did not look at any other cameras in the entire 400-camera network that day. The community center shared their cameras directly to the PD unde…

why are private community centers installing Flock cameras indoors?
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