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Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by EduardoBautista »

ezst wrote: post #157
dzhiurgis wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes European GDP, especially buying power has been pretty flat over last decades. They simply cannot afford US made products anymore.

US-made... Cloud products? Like there's anything US-specific or unique about Taiwan made/China assembled computers the instant it's sold by a US corporation?

Since they are cloud products and not bare metal servers, yes, you are paying for the specific features of AWS, Google Cloud, Azure, etc that are lacking outside of US companies.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by ezst »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #171
ezst wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US-made... Cloud products? Like there's anything US-specific or unique about Taiwan made/China assembled computers the instant it's sold by a US corporation?

Since they are cloud products and not bare metal servers, yes, you are paying for the specific features of AWS, Google Cloud, Azure, etc that are lacking outside of US companies.

> that are lacking outside of US companies.

Sheesh, I wonder why.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by NeuroWinter »

inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

It was there first, and it used to be the one stop shop for everything you needed.

Then it got not only complicated but complex, and full of vendor lock in.

It used to be easy to orchestrate, there were terraform modules for everything. I chose it multiple times for that exact reason.

The cost structure used to also be good, you knew how much your bill was gonna be, you could get cheaper pricing if you went for spot instances etc.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by 30gd4n »

Zsfe510asG wrote: post #37

Is Airbus still using Google workspaces for mail? Nice vector for industrial espionage. Why did Airbus go to "the cloud" in the first place? It seems complete overkill for a company like that.

More adequate question would be why did Airbus go GCP instead of pushing a local french actor like OVH, Clever or Scale, decison that seemed right all along and that is eventually in place ? The answer is because of the bribe ex-CEO took !

And about espionage there's not much to spy on : no new plane ongoing, no fancy tech detained by Airbus, all the tech is the suppliers, Airbus is only an assembler. To prove my point see chinese aviation : it's been 20years we litteraly gave them the A320 and they are still far from producing anything of their own, they barely managed to have that copy called Comac flying !

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Post by inigyou »

raverbashing wrote: post #108
inigyou wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Name one B2B relationship you have where you didn't provide ID of you or your business.

Not at an initial sign up and minor spend Companies usually know how to handle customers (Yes some do want to verify the customer for every single purchase - but I usually skip those)

Name one

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

lelanthran wrote: post #168
inigyou wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But AWS is a VPS company. Who's managing those VPSes?

> But AWS is a VPS company. Who's managing those VPSes? The same people who were logging into AWS and managing stuff there.

... Yes, the people who manage AWS are the people who manage AWS. But which people are they?

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by 30gd4n »

shrubble wrote: post #57
Zsfe510asG wrote: post #37

Is Airbus still using Google workspaces for mail? Nice vector for industrial espionage. Why did Airbus go to "the cloud" in the first place? It seems complete overkill for a company like that.

Management listened to the siren call of "it's easier and cheaper". Now they still have to pay for the same senior sysadmins they were told they wouldn't need anymore, but, with the added bonus of paying 10-1000x for bandwidth over what they could get if they had stayed on-prem.

Doubt sincerly any exec or manager ever belived the easier and cheaper motto !

In opposition to what has been said in this thread their IT teams are very good and have raised (in vain) warnings against GCP since the beginning.

The official motivations for the GCP move as given to us, plebs (already mentionned in other comms) : - Financial move from CAPEX model (hosting own DC) to OPEX. - Transfer of responsability in case of fail; you can charge ($$$) GCP for downtime, could't really do that on your own teams. - Focus on business value and not on IT. (IMHO all of them are wrong, beginnig with the last one : you design & assemble planes on computers; IT is obviously part of your core business model, even a strategic one !).

And about the why GCP vs a french local actor the answer was because of tech maturity.

The 'easy and cheaper' is tech propaganda, this never was part of debate simply because it's false and we all know it, even the high execs in their ivory tower. Same thing as AI : haven't seen any big EU firm lay off big chunk of people to replace them with IA whereas in the US all the big ones already fired AND got the people back; US believes in it's own propaganda, EU doesn't ! Noone here thought we could fire sysadmins by moving services to CSPs, that always seemed like fake ad and reality is here to prove us right !

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

khurs wrote: post #90
inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

AWS were first and dominated. Microsoft moved late with Azure, but as they had so many customers in B2B already with SQL Server and Office, that they soon grew market share. Google Cloud followed and acquired companies like Firebase to differentiate. Market Share 2026 AWS 28% Azure 21% Google 14% https://www.statista.com/chart/18819/worldwide-market-share-...

Rackspace was first.

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by inigyou »

cube00 wrote: post #84
inigyou wrote: post #46

I don't fully understand why companies use AWS. Is it a management driven or engineering driven decision? I assume management - in big companies some exec from Amazon comes to play golf, and in small companies the managers copy what the big companies are doing?

Smaller annual opex is far easier to get approved then large multiyear capex with deprecation. AWS was also cheaper in the beginning but has been slowly ratcheting up the pricing making colocation or on-premise viable again for some workloads which have steady compute demands.

So we all just forgot you can rent servers significantly cheaper than AWS

Re: Airbus Takes Flight from AWS

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Post by benhurmarcel »

rwmj wrote: post #88
ownagefool wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My take is it's actually because of poor performance of internal teams. With a cloud provider, you can get an account by filling out a sign-up page and handing over a credit card. Internal teams will often hide behind Bureaucracy and a ticket system, with processes that make hosting a simple web app take multiple quarters. Now there are layered reasons for that, some of them with legitimate basis, but at the end of t…

And now if you try to get a bug fixed or a new feature in GMail, it simply can't be done at all. Problem solved!

Because you could get a bug fixed in Outlook before?
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