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Post by cindyllm »

sixtyj wrote: post #135
Havoc wrote: post #132

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I'd prefer it uncensored too but this objection was insightful in 2023. Everyone and their dog knows they're censored on topics sensitive to their country, much like western models are censored for western woke sensitivities. Nobody cares anymore as long as the reasoning is good and the price is low

Yes, “Nobody cares” is what scares me. If we don't care about the other person than who we are? On the other side, I am not a woke optimist that everything on Earth is lit by Sun…

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Post by timothyduong »

m3kw9 wrote: post #19

It rubs me the wrong way that they have to copy everything, the UI is almost exact copy of Codex. The entire mind set of just copy the best is holding them back.

Give them time, they'll work out their (Chinese UI/UX) groove just like they're working out EVs in the Chinese market. Copy first, improve and adjust later.

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Post by lorecore »

reilly3000 wrote: post #144
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

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So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

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There are no entities on earth I trust less than US corporations and the US government (well, Israel but you’d have to literally be suicidal to willing use Israeli tech). I’ll happily give China my data. As far as I’m concerned, they’ve proven themselves to be a force for good, or at least neutral.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by micromacrofoot »

reilly3000 wrote: post #144
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

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As a random consumer why would I trust an American company more than a Chinese company? either company would throw me into a wood chipper for money if they could get away with it.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by micromacrofoot »

adventured wrote: post #151
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

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So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

China isn't undercutting anything. Kimi has to be hosted somewhere and is extraordinarily expensive to operate at Fable-levels of capabilities. The moat is (and will always be) the cost to actually operate these models, and that cost will continue to soar, it will not reverse, and the hardware will never keep up such that at-home use somehow becomes economical. It's like releasing a cutting edge search engine, procla…

If you think Open AI can make hundreds of billions of dollars selling subscriptions for a chatbot I have a bridge you may be interested in.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by micromacrofoot »

stusmall wrote: post #138
micromacrofoot wrote: post #131

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So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it. The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can the…

the difference is that the US economy is currently over-investing in AI to the point where it's a significant portion of the economy, it's the biggest competitive opportunity in quite a while

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by vrganj »

ajross wrote: post #141
stusmall wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it. The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can the…

> the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition Only with some industries, mostly electronics and light manufacturing. The rest of the history of software products doesn't look like this at all. China cloned Amazon and Meta fairly well (but only within their local/captured markets) but not Microsoft or Google and absolutely not Apple. Entertainment and culture exports are still effectively zero (like, wh…

Xiaomi did a quite good job copying (and surpassing!) Apple.

They even got the car Apple always wanted, but never managed to build.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by theplumber »

CookieCrisp wrote: post #160
thomasahle wrote: post #149

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> duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone, and codex work already cloned cowork, grok and gemini is doing the same.

I highly recommend to anyone that uses them a lot - try to clone your own. I’ve got mine fully formed into how I want it, with features I haven’t seen anywhere else yet and with integration into everything I work with. We’ve lived in a world where every app had to fit enough people well enough - but now we live in a world where an app can be molded to be absolutely perfect for just you!

This is the way. Guess what am I working right now? My own “Work” app that will be better than anything else available today!

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by OutOfHere »

fttt wrote: post #97
wxw wrote: post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

Yup they have a cost advantage. They just need to be good enough and just copy. Sorry american labs - it’s the beginning of the end.

American labs will do fine with monthly subscriptions costing $20-300/month. They will not do fine for heavy basic LLM API calls -- it is for this that the cheap API produces substantial savings. Specialized niche provisions, e.g. excellent tool use, reliable structured output, reliable long context, cached and uncached web search, document reads, computer use, integrations, etc. also will take time for the foreign services to be good at.

Re: Kimi Work

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Post by wtfHN26 »

ajross wrote: post #141
stusmall wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it. The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can the…

> the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition Only with some industries, mostly electronics and light manufacturing. The rest of the history of software products doesn't look like this at all. China cloned Amazon and Meta fairly well (but only within their local/captured markets) but not Microsoft or Google and absolutely not Apple. Entertainment and culture exports are still effectively zero (like, wh…

> China cloned Amazon and Meta fairly well (but only within their local/captured markets)

Americans order Chinese products from SHEIN and Aliexpress type websites.

So China did penetrate the US ecommerce market, but they are not taking on Amazon directly.

People are buying from the Chinese and reselling on Amazon, which has a good logistics network that Chinese companies can't possibly build in the USA.

> absolutely not Apple

You need to look up Oneplus to see how many people were using their devices till they announced exit from Western markets.

The Chinese Android phones are essentially replacement for a big chunk of Apple ecosystem.

If these cheap mobile devices didn't exist - Apple could possibly be selling many more devices.

> China cloned .... Meta fairly well

TikTok is giving Meta a run for their money in USA.

They had to be restricted via threat of regulation to offload stake in TikTok USA.

> Microsoft

They didn't compete with Microsoft directly as entering Western Enterprise market is hard for the Chinese. Even Google can't beat Microsoft there till now.

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