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So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it. The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can the…

> the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition

Only with some industries, mostly electronics and light manufacturing. The rest of the history of software products doesn't look like this at all. China cloned Amazon and Meta fairly well (but only within their local/captured markets) but not Microsoft or Google and absolutely not Apple. Entertainment and culture exports are still effectively zero (like, what, three blockbuster films?) where the US, Japan and Korea define pop across the globe. Heavy industry is mixed, with decent success in consumer vehicles now but little purchase in stuff like heavy equipment or shipbuilding.

Basically it's complicated, and not really a point well suited to that kind of generalism.

Re: Kimi Work

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post #111

Has anyone cancelled their $200 ChatGPT subscription and started using Kimi? It'd be an interesting metric to measure. I for one have no motivation to use this model. Nonetheless, I'm always happy to see more competition.

There should be a benchmark re Tiananmen Square and Uyghurs among LLMs. Grok answered, ChatGPT answered, Claude answered. Chinese Z.ai replied “Content Security Warning: The input text data may contain inappropriate content“. So it is nice that Kimi is cheaper but for what price?

So for your Tiananmen questions go to Fable, and for the Fable-nerfed subject matter go to Kimi (or GLM, as Hugging Face were forced to do when they were recently hacked and the nerfed US models refused to analyze it).

Re: Kimi Work

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post #109

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A good UI/UX is noticed and appreciated by many. A great UI/UX goes completely unnoticed by most.

This is false. Apple’s UI/UX is the reason why they are adored from a physical attraction perspective.

Yes, Apple's UI/UX is good, not great. Like far from great. So he's still correct

Re: Kimi Work

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> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy. They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

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Re: Kimi Work

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post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

> Their bread and butter and claim-to-fame will continue to be low-cost, near-frontier models, ...

K3 is beating Fable on several benchmarks. So I take it you don't consider Fable 5 to be frontier.

What are the frontier models?

Re: Kimi Work

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That's precisely the problem. People are building UI/UX for a paradigm that is so utterly new that they miss the mark entirely. Everyone defaults to a big chat input because that's all they know. It's the expectation, so it's safer, faster, and cheaper to not deviate. It's also wrong and bad for work.

A CLI interface has been perfect for my coding work, why is it bad?

it's pretty great for coding because the CLI provides the model with all the context it needs and with a way to verify the result of its actions via linting, compiler messages and program output

the rest of "work" doesn't have that luxury

Re: Kimi Work

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post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

> Their bread and butter and claim-to-fame will continue to be low-cost, near-frontier models, ... K3 is beating Fable on several benchmarks. So I take it you don't consider Fable 5 to be frontier. What are the frontier models?

People endlessly claimed the same thing about DeepSeek upon its release. they claim it every single time a very large cutting edge model is released out of China. It's a combination of propaganda, some truth, and the faux open culture desperation to see big tech get destroyed (somehow better if big China takes its place instead).

Re: Kimi Work

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> Their bread and butter and claim-to-fame will continue to be low-cost, near-frontier models, ... K3 is beating Fable on several benchmarks. So I take it you don't consider Fable 5 to be frontier. What are the frontier models?

People endlessly claimed the same thing about DeepSeek upon its release. they claim it every single time a very large cutting edge model is released out of China. It's a combination of propaganda, some truth, and the faux open culture desperation to see big tech get destroyed (somehow better if big China takes its place instead).

https://arena.ai/leaderboard/code

(that's just one, there are others... and several are claiming that those saying "yes sure it's just as good, but it uses more tokens" ain't really true either).

And I don't think anyone is excited about China releasing anything: I think people like the idea of open-weights.

Re: Kimi Work

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post #80

> Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks. It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI f…

> duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized

Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone, and codex work already cloned cowork, grok and gemini is doing the same.

Re: Kimi Work

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it. The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can the…

> the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition Only with some industries, mostly electronics and light manufacturing. The rest of the history of software products doesn't look like this at all. China cloned Amazon and Meta fairly well (but only within their local/captured markets) but not Microsoft or Google and absolutely not Apple. Entertainment and culture exports are still effectively zero (like, wh…

Not British, but taking UK out of the definition of pop, is a bit too rough a cut. Also France. Look at the queues outside pop-glamorous stores. And was pop-art a pop artefact? Is TikTok redefining pop? Movies is an old measure, and even US has fallen with just franchise dominating. I think as a globe we are much more integrated and co-dependent, occasionally also in bad ways, than we appreciate.
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