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Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

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Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

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post #16

I'm surprised that their home page basically acts as if LM Studio and others don't already do this. It's not clear what the difference is from a glance. It also omits Open WebUI. I've been running Deepseek V4 Flash locally on my Macbook Pro for weeks using Open WebUI + DS4.

LM studio is closed source software built ON TOP OF code released by the author of Nativ.

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

#53
Looking forward to giving this a try. I have tried MLX using Rapid MLX however the LLM (Qwen) would always have hiccups and get stuck repeating itself.

Moving onto llama.cpp I was able to get faster tokens with MTP and a more reliable llm.

I wonder what other people's experiences are using MLX vs llama.cpp

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

#54
post #47

Genuinely curious: what are people using these smaller local models for? They are getting decently capable, but they are still small enough that I don't trust them for "real" work outside of a handful of fun toy projects. Are people actually using them in coding agents? Or are they mostly using them for other things?

there is plenty of grunt work these smaller models can do. update dependencies, fix merge conflicts, write --help, markdown, or readme files for existing code. etc.

sometimes they fail but undo is just a "git restore" or if automated, rejecting a PR and having a better model take a crack at it.

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

#55

Has anyone found a model that can run on a normal macbook? I have an M3 Pro with 18GB of memory and whenever I try to run even a basic model the fans goes off and the mac starts to get heated up and becomes so laggy.

heating up is normal, that cannot be avoided. it should become laggy, but you just have very little RAM (I assume 16 GB?) So most models are too big with other stuff running.

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The frontier is a curve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_front

That's not what people are normally referring to when they say "frontier models". It means the most capable models full stop. Not the most capable that you can run locally.

true but tfa's title says "frontier open models"

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

#57
post #7

Is „frontier“ overused? I thought frontier models were the best-of-the-best such as Fable right now. I assume you can’t host these models yourself since you would need many GB of RAM and expensive GPU of is my thinking of „frontier models“ wrong?

I don't know that I agree with this specific use of frontier because it is confusable as you say.

But (off on a tangent) I do think that there are multiple frontiers generally — and I also think the open weights, small local model frontier is by far the most important and exciting one.

I keep mucking about with what Gemma 4 12B can do and every time I do I find myself thinking that all the energies in the AI world are going in entirely the wrong direction, because it is small, clever, efficient and remarkable.

If all of that research money were to be spent on improving AI models that fit inside a 16GB RAM machine with unified memory, I think really important progress could be made.

I enjoy using the Qwen 3.6 models (and BottleCap's new fine tune of the 27B) but the small Gemma 4 models are impressive in a way that I think is going quite unreported.

So while I don't think this website should use the word "frontier" here, even referring to Qwen 3.6 27B which is weirdly close, I think it could.

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

#58
post #12

Advice: remove all slop and fluff from the website such as "Everything you need. Nothing you don’t." Just state the information you want to communicate in the plainest and most straightforward way possible.

That phrase itself is such an astounding performative contradiction [0].

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performative_contradiction

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

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post #57
post #7

Is „frontier“ overused? I thought frontier models were the best-of-the-best such as Fable right now. I assume you can’t host these models yourself since you would need many GB of RAM and expensive GPU of is my thinking of „frontier models“ wrong?

I don't know that I agree with this specific use of frontier because it is confusable as you say. But (off on a tangent) I do think that there are multiple frontiers generally — and I also think the open weights, small local model frontier is by far the most important and exciting one. I keep mucking about with what Gemma 4 12B can do and every time I do I find myself thinking that all the energies in the AI world ar…

I’ve got a 32 gig m1 MacBook Pro. how would I go about trying Gemma like you mentioned? Would it run at an acceptable speed, and what could I do? Coding?

Re: Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac

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post #7

Is „frontier“ overused? I thought frontier models were the best-of-the-best such as Fable right now. I assume you can’t host these models yourself since you would need many GB of RAM and expensive GPU of is my thinking of „frontier models“ wrong?

It might be overused elsewhere but I don't think its use here is inappropriate given it's qualified: it doesn't say "frontier models", it says "frontier open models".
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