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Post by lostlogin »

BloondAndDoom wrote: post #157
lostlogin wrote: post #99

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I really wish there was a way to support their amazing product without a cent going the way of the Russian government. I get that there is a stance being taken, and it's an attempt to be apolitical, but that's in itself a political choice.

Assuming you are using American products, with the same logic how do you support that government? I’m honestly to curious, do you find that American government historians internal external politics is that much better than Russia? What’s going on with Israel and a massive track record of human rights violations including government funded torture oriented, democracy side stepping institutions like Guantanamo bay, and…

> Assuming you are using American products

Search is now Uruky, and I’ll see how that goes. https://uruky.com/

In terms of other products, I have more American ones than is ideal.

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Post by mightyham »

ninkendo wrote: post #276
mightyham wrote: post #269

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No, you clearly don't understand my argument. Ukraine didn't just disadvantage their neighbor. In international affairs, red lines are a common tool for expressing acceptable bounds of negotiation. Russia made it very explicit that if Ukraine joined NATO there would be conflict. We live in the real world, and "sovereignty" is not real; nations are not unconstrained agents that can do whatever they please. They have t…

Please look up "victim blaming" and understand how it applies in this context. If Islamic terrorists say "if you depict Muhammad, we will attack you", and someone depicts Muhammad and are attacked, we don't say "wow, they really shouldn't have depicted Muhammad, this is their fault". We say "wow, those terrorists are awful." Russia's red lines were never acceptable in the first place, and their existence does not jus…

I love the example you gave because it is demonstrative of one of the most important distinctions between your moral language and the language of geopolitics. If a Muslim attacks someone in a western country, then they will have violated a law. The recipient of the violence is a victim of an infringement of rights garunteed by the government which has authority through the social contract. On the world stage, there is no higher authority, rights, or laws. What you have are a set of nations, which by definition, are agents seeking to secure prosperity for themselves. Ukraine has certain objectives to secure their prosperity like, procuring a large conventional military or nukes so that they can defend their borders. Russia also has certain objectives that secure their prosperity, like maintaining access to the black sea and building natural gas pipelines into Europe. When these nations have objectives that conflict there are only two options: compromise or war, that's it, that is the reality. In this case neither side wanted to compromise, so there was a war.

It's also important to note that this conflict is not one-sided. Ukraine has dedicedly become a proxy for US and European power projection. This is not a genocide or some other form of needless violence. This is a classic example of powers butting heads and all parties refusing to take de-escalatory actions.

Re: Orion Browser by Kagi

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Post by TheDong »

andrewl-hn wrote: post #254
TheDong wrote: post #83

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You can also do that with reynard [0], and eventually firefox itself [1], if you just move to the EU or Japan. Or switch to android, an operating system that didn't need government intervention to let you install a browser engine. [0]: https://github.com/minh-ton/reynard-browser [1]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

Just so you know, "move to Europe" is pretty complicated inside Apple ecosystem. You can't move your App Store account from one country to another while you have any subscriptions active. You cancel them, wait for them to expire , and only then you can switch. So, for example, if you subscribed to an app yearly in January, and then cancelled your subscription in May, you still have to wait until January of next year.…

It's easier if you create a new apple ID which you use for the EU, separate from your existing one, and then login to the phone with your old Apple ID, and login to the app store specifically with the new one.

As a bonus, you can then re-buy all your apps if you want to not have to sometimes toggle between the old / new one to re-download already purchased apps.

Frankly, I'm surprised apple doesn't hard-require you to re-purchase all your apps when you switch regions, it would be a lot more apple-like.

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Post by antonok »

midnightbobarun wrote: post #258
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

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> Built-in ad-blocking Definitely enjoying this trend. I think Brave was the first to do it, and now Kagi is doing it too in their own browser. The web without adblocking is so unusable it might as well be considered broken. Ad blockers are the new popup blockers: they should be built into the browsers themselves as first class features. Only conflicts of interest prevented that. Couldn't trust a company funded by Go…

I also like the more browsers have built-in adblock, but so far I've never seen any of them copy uBlock Origin's "element picker" (the little eyedropper tool) feature... it's good for getting rid of annoying stuff on certain websites and only uBlock Origin seems to do it. :(

Brave has it on both desktop and mobile https://brave.com/privacy-updates/34-block-page-elements-and...

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Post by dzonga »

Altern4tiveAcc wrote: post #270
dzonga wrote: post #202

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remove the internet - forget the internet didn't exist. you will see why the publishing business runs on ads. see the world for what it is not what you want it to be. once people started publishing books or whatever in the 1600s - the world runs on ads. it's only in the last 30 years - when ads got a bad rap due to tech bros who don't didn't learn humanities

>remove the internet - forget the internet didn't exist. Advertising as it exists today is tied to the Internet. > you will see why the publishing business runs on ads. And I maintain that tying business interests with advertising inevitably results in a conflict of interest between people producing goods and services, and people consuming them. >it's only in the last 30 years - when ads got a bad rap It's only natur…

my apologies if you felt I was name calling you.

I was putting it out as a generality - that most engineers/founders have no background in humanities. hence they don't tend to use 'logic' to make decisions that involve humans. when 'logic' doesn't work.

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Post by antonok »

Xerox9213 wrote: post #247
matheusmoreira wrote: post #92

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> Built-in ad-blocking Definitely enjoying this trend. I think Brave was the first to do it, and now Kagi is doing it too in their own browser. The web without adblocking is so unusable it might as well be considered broken. Ad blockers are the new popup blockers: they should be built into the browsers themselves as first class features. Only conflicts of interest prevented that. Couldn't trust a company funded by Go…

I also think it’s interesting that Ladybird is decidedly not including ad blocking, but leaving it to third party extensions. In some ways it makes a lot of sense to keep doing it that way.

Ladybird is natively integrating Brave's adblock engine https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/9587

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Post by Razengan »

flumes_whims_ wrote: post #240
TiredOfLife wrote: post #181

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Putting what russia does in same sentence as what america does, shows that you are either intentionally trolling or severely handicaped.

I'm sure Iraqis, Libyans, Iranians, Palestinians, etc. agree that putting Russia in the same sentence as America is stupid.

Don't forget Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Laos and Cambodia

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Post by mightyham »

falsemyrmidon wrote: post #249
mightyham wrote: post #198

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Except it is literally is just rational geopolitics. The story of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not just a single whimsical choice by a mad dictator. There has been a decades long encirclement campaign by NATO which ultimately pushed too far. That's not to say that states joining NATO did not do so willingly and of their own accord, but that it played into a larger struggle for influence that disadvantaged Russi…

This reads like some of that covert Russian election influence they're so fond of.

Or just an American with an realist perspective on foreign affairs...

I loathe the charge that if you have any nuance and think the war is not ENTIERLY Russia's fault, then you must be brainwashed by propaganda.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

armadyl wrote: post #261
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? Same as they do now. The quality ones charge for their content. The low-quality ones survive on serving ads to the masses.

More like the quality ones get their content ripped and viewed for free with tools like archive.is or people just posting the full text in comments on this forum even. Subs only aren’t viable for publications with full staff imo

> the quality ones get their content ripped and viewed for free with tools like archive.is

This is increasingly blocked by investigative outlets, particularly niche ones. It eventually filters through to folks who won’t or can’t pay. And for most people, that’s fine—they don’t need detailed and timely news.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

neodymiumphish wrote: post #204
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> how do blogs, news, and every day ad-serving websites survive without them? Same as they do now. The quality ones charge for their content. The low-quality ones survive on serving ads to the masses.

I want to pay good sites for their content, but I don't think it's economical to expect a subscription from every semi-regular reader. I'd like for the internet to settle on some sort of micro-transaction system where your browsing history pays out a fraction of a penny each time you browse to a site, so as long as you maintain a balance in your wallet, you can browse the web ad-free across all the sites that support…

> micro-transaction system

Doesn’t make sense commercially or socially. If you’re dabbling in specialist content, you’re fine waiting for it to filter out through ad-funded sources. The information density will be lower. And timing, too. But the whole point of the subscription is you have a stable base of financing and a committed community of knowledgeable people (likely in positions of power).

And practically speaking, the archive.is workarounds sort of are the solution for dabblers. It just taxes your time instead of wallet, which seems fair.

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