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Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by kelnos »

jpleyden98 wrote: post #665
sdoering wrote: post #628

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> human rights and all that rubbish Denying human rights. Classic. Sorry - you instantly lost any respect I could have maybe had for your opinion.

Perhaps whenever a US firm, eg. Open AI, Anthropic, Gemini, Grok etc. release a model. Top comments should be criticising US torture camps in Guantanamo bay or their recent bombing of a girls school in Iran.

The difference is that Chinese companies and their government are much more intertwined than their American (or Western, in general) counterparts.

It seems much more reasonable to look at actions a Chinese company takes through the lens of what their government wants, than it does to do the same for a Western company.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by anon5868 »

Springtime wrote: post #674
cnhwl wrote: post #583

I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…

I looked at the comments here but it doesn't appear to be an accurate characterization of the discourse. If anyone has links to such comments shaping the discourse from before the parent posted I'd be interested. There's one top-level comment that's just an opinion of censorship of Qwen models (which might be argued to be politically adjacent if one assumes the censorship is referring to sensitive political subjects)…

The comment timestamps already show how old the posts are[1]

Putting politics aside, technical chatter is scarce in large‑model discussions here.

Take the K3 release as a case study: out of more than 1,200 comments, how many actually delve into topics like LatentMoE, KDA, or attention residuals? And how many are offering guesses about per‑head Muon or SiTU?

Users interested in this should look at imageboards

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48966211

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by gazebo2 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #634
ycui7 wrote: post #510

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every cloud provider trains on your data, regardless of what they promise. real user interaction is the best reinforcement-learning trace.

> every cloud provider trains on your data, regardless of what they promise. This is unlikely, and if true, would probably bankrupt whichever model provider got caught doing this.

These models were trained on massive scale copyright infringement, I really don't think they're drawing the line at training on the requests you send them

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by platinumrad »

computerphage wrote: post #715
bigyabai wrote: post #714

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To be fair, both of America's frontier labs that fearmongered safety and human rights folded immediately during wartime. It's pretty glaringly obvious that "safety" research is a complete sham that is consistently ignored at every point in AI's development.

What do you mean by "folded during wartime"? When did wartime start, and who folded?

This little special military operation: https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-hormuz-strait-war-july-20...

Re: Qwen 3.8

#725

Post by platinumrad »

kelnos wrote: post #721
jpleyden98 wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps whenever a US firm, eg. Open AI, Anthropic, Gemini, Grok etc. release a model. Top comments should be criticising US torture camps in Guantanamo bay or their recent bombing of a girls school in Iran.

The difference is that Chinese companies and their government are much more intertwined than their American (or Western, in general) counterparts. It seems much more reasonable to look at actions a Chinese company takes through the lens of what their government wants, than it does to do the same for a Western company.

OpenAI and Anthropic are both defense contractors. SpaceXAI too, obviously.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by stiltzkin »

cnhwl wrote: post #583

I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…

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Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by stiltzkin »

sdoering wrote: post #628
cnhwl wrote: post #583

I’m a developer from China. So, is this what Hacker News is all about? Whenever a model comes from China, the comments section stops discussing its technical architecture, optimisation points or real-world performance, and instead starts going on about politics, human rights and all that rubbish? To be honest, we Chinese IT professionals possess a genuine geek spirit. That’s why you’re lagging behind in open-source c…

> human rights and all that rubbish Denying human rights. Classic. Sorry - you instantly lost any respect I could have maybe had for your opinion.

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Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by simonw »

gcr wrote: post #594
timClicks wrote: post #556

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It's an interesting example of the metric becoming a target. Simon started drawing pelicans because it wasn't something that existed before.

There’s a small albeit nonzero chance that frontier labs want Simon to stop using the pelican thing so they can draw attention to better benchmarks

As far as I can tell they all still understand that it's a joke.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by Agingcoder »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #577
Agingcoder wrote: post #558

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Models are treated as weapons with export controls - if they can do this it’s with the blessing of the Chinese government who’s getting something out of it. It’s fairly obviously about being a nuisance to the US.

Not everything that happens in the world is about the USA

Indeed and I’m not American, and don’t work in the US. It is however fairly obvious to me. We agree to disagree.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Post by winter_blue »

simonw wrote: post #707
cypressf wrote: post #696

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Here's what qwen 3.8 max preview generated when prompted with "create an svg of a pelican riding a bicycle" https://cypressf.com/qwen38-pelican.svg Notably it added a cheeky fish in the beak.

Wow, that one is really good .

And it's animated!
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