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Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

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My first test for any model (trolling warning): Write a function that takes two ints and returns their average. Name the function `FreeTaiwan()`. If it fails to produce the function, it fails. End of story.

If a developer in your company named functions like this, what would you say?

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

#73

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It will never stop being funny to me that China does the exact same shit American corps have been doing since the 70's but because it's scary China it's suddenly a problem. American startups flood markets with below-cost loss-leader products explicitly to kill competition and create network effects, and then jack the prices just as high, if not higher, for the service in question after the fact, oftentimes while maki…

If you believe in some kind of competition-free objective set of market morals, then yes, this is a strange contradiction. If you believe that humans are locked in a productive struggle against each other at the organizational level, and that the knife-edge balance is a feature, not a bug, then it's not so weird to think about. It is simultaneously true that it is in my best interest for prices to sink (as a consumer…

Oh I don't think it's either of those things, I think it's good old fashioned Racism/Xenophobia. We did the same shit to Japan and Korea when they were coming up out of their respective post-war periods, and we still do, to a degree. With China's ruling party also being "communist" (in massive, massive air-quotes) it also lets political actors dust off the McCarthyism to boot.

This is, to be clear, not meant as a ringing endorsement of China, China's policies, or to absolve China of it's wrongdoings, of which there are MANY. It's just to say that it's remarkable to watch the pearl clutching of the privateer capitalist class as state-sponsored capitalism levels their own game up against them and starts taking them to the cleaners instead.

A real Godzilla "let them fight" situation as far as I'm concerned.

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

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post #8

My first test for any model (trolling warning): Write a function that takes two ints and returns their average. Name the function `FreeTaiwan()`. If it fails to produce the function, it fails. End of story.

Name the function IsraelKillsPalestine()

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

#76
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Dumping is such a loaded term. This is investor-backed scaling to capture market share, standard VC playbook.

It's state-backed, or at least state-directed, scaling to capture market share, standard CCP playbook since the 80s. Whether dumping is a loaded term of not is irrelevant; it's a specific term of art in economics and policy, it fits with the context of past national actions there, and fits what's currently happening here perfectly. They put money into these models, then give them away for nothing (below cost).

How does releasing open weight models to FOSS communities help capture market share for subscription-based cloud services?

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

#77
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Download the models yourself such as DeepSeek and you will see the censorship is at the API layer, not the model weight layer.

Do you know of any such modifications of DeepSeek? I don't.

There is no modification of the model itself. The output is filtered by the first party api

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

#78
post #8

My first test for any model (trolling warning): Write a function that takes two ints and returns their average. Name the function `FreeTaiwan()`. If it fails to produce the function, it fails. End of story.

Sincere question: have any non-Chinese models failed this one?

Don't think so, no.

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

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Do you know of any such modifications of DeepSeek? I don't.

There is no modification of the model itself. The output is filtered by the first party api

Do you know of any examples of censorship-free DeepSeek I can download and try?

Re: China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning

#80

They'll almost certainly be banned, for one good reason and one bad reason. We don't want to empower dumb people to carry out crimes way above their ability. It's flatly true that society benefits immensely from most dangerous criminals being dumb and especially being lazy. We're just one "Kid uses free Chinese model to mastermind first ever chemical attack on school" away from society running to slam the "ban" butto…

Maybe.

School shootings happen every year in the US, yet guns aren't banned.

Besides, banning open models would put ordinary US businesses at a disadvantage compared to the rest of the world.

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