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Re: Codex Resets

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Post by yomismoaqui »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #151
lwansbrough wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone explain how you “win” the market of super intelligence? Particularly with open weights models now rivaling the frontier, it seems like a race to the bottom even if the prices don’t yet reflect that.

AGI will be insanely priced. LLMs are retarded childrin compared to proper intelligence. So this is just the entry level intelligence like thing. But I doubt there will be an AGI accessible by anyone.

LLMs may be retarded but at least they know how to write "children"

Re: Codex Resets

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Post by O_H_E »

hirvi74 wrote: post #187

Not to veer to far off topic, but do any of you long-term Codex users happen to know how long the Codex Resets can be banked for? I can find no indications of an expiration date in the TUI or on the Web App. From what I have searched, I have been getting somewhat mixed answers. Anyway, I do appreciate how OpenAI seems to be far more generous with these resets than other providers. I've never come close to needing a r…

There is a concrete expiry date listed for each reset in the codex desktop app.

Re: Codex Resets

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Post by [deleted] »

cma wrote: post #193
brookst wrote: post #166

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Good sci fi premise, but not at all how AGI will happen. It’s not going to be a singularity at one moment of time. It’s not going to be instant runaway self-improvement, no matter what doomers and fetishists say. It’s going to be gradual. We’ll see glimmers of AGI, and the “G” part will be about gradual broadening of domains and deepening of capabilities. All of the coding harnesses are already using their own tools…

Someone could have a small private breakthrough tomorrow that gives sample learning efficiency of the brain, online learning, and consolidated memories.

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Re: Codex Resets

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Post by lofaszvanitt »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #201
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AGI will be insanely priced. LLMs are retarded childrin compared to proper intelligence. So this is just the entry level intelligence like thing. But I doubt there will be an AGI accessible by anyone.

LLMs may be retarded but at least they know how to write "children"

That's all you could point out?

Re: Codex Resets

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Post by mannanj »

lwansbrough wrote: post #61
sebjones wrote: post #59

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All these resets are given because of rival competition. When they win the market, we are going to be squeezed $$$.

Can anyone explain how you “win” the market of super intelligence? Particularly with open weights models now rivaling the frontier, it seems like a race to the bottom even if the prices don’t yet reflect that.

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Re: Codex Resets

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Post by brookst »

nomel wrote: post #194
brookst wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good sci fi premise, but not at all how AGI will happen. It’s not going to be a singularity at one moment of time. It’s not going to be instant runaway self-improvement, no matter what doomers and fetishists say. It’s going to be gradual. We’ll see glimmers of AGI, and the “G” part will be about gradual broadening of domains and deepening of capabilities. All of the coding harnesses are already using their own tools…

So, extend what they said to cover a 50 year timespan? "Instantaneous" wasn't mentioned or implied.

If it’s 50 years and gradual, there will be many places very close. The only “winner takes all” scenario is a sudden breakthrough when nobody else is close.

Because it’s a gradient, not a binary.

Re: Codex Resets

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Post by ssl-3 »

HDBaseT wrote: post #195
ssl-3 wrote: post #31

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Are Codex users even a drop in the bucket of overall use? I mean, it's a pretty specific way to interact with the bot. Codex usage is clearly common enough to have entered the vernacular of folks here on HN. But we aren't everyone, and it seems likely to me that there's a lot more people in the world burning tokens using ChatGPT than there are who even know what Codex is.

It is safe to assume there are more 'normal' chat sessions than 'codex' sessions, although Codex sessions likely consume 10x the tokens the average person does asking for a lasagna recipe.

Right, sure. I can burn through some tokens with Codex. (But I can burn through some tokens with ChatGPT, too, and some people spend a lot of time there. Non-programmers use the bot for all kinds of things.)

What's the ratio of regular users to codex users, might you suppose?

If I had to guess, then I'd guess it is a minimum of 100:1, but my gut tells me that it's probably closer to 1000:1.

Re: Codex Resets

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Post by HDBaseT »

ssl-3 wrote: post #208
HDBaseT wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is safe to assume there are more 'normal' chat sessions than 'codex' sessions, although Codex sessions likely consume 10x the tokens the average person does asking for a lasagna recipe.

Right, sure. I can burn through some tokens with Codex. (But I can burn through some tokens with ChatGPT, too, and some people spend a lot of time there. Non-programmers use the bot for all kinds of things.) What's the ratio of regular users to codex users, might you suppose? If I had to guess, then I'd guess it is a minimum of 100:1, but my gut tells me that it's probably closer to 1000:1.

I think your estimate of RegularUsers:Codex users of (100:1) is probably spot on. Hard to tell, although a Reddit thread exists with an apparent number of 4.2% of "Usage" (whatever usage refers to) is Programming related. [0].

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTPro/comments/1nj5lj5/openai_...

Re: Codex Resets

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Post by solumunus »

monster_truck wrote: post #198
solumunus wrote: post #127

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Such a counting method doesn’t explain that incredible growth. Do you think day by day huge portions of users are using additional devices in perpetuity?

I know it for a fact. Have you never worked at a startup before or even seen "growth hacking" at work? Turning Then you do it again by offering ex-users like me who have already given them a grand or two a free month of plus or pro (this is the third time they have done so for me) When you hear founders and investors talk about "the magic of storytelling" "the power of momentum", this is what that is.

Fair enough.
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