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I'm Done with Mullvad

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Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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> So I decided to engage with it and read the damn thing Huh, so did I... but clearly one of us didn't read it thoroughly enough. The first sentence of the abstract says the surge in shootings is "disproportionately involving young men with immigrant backgrounds". Page 2: people with an immigrant background are 80% of shooting victims and 64% of perpetrators (citing Brå). You seem to just skip to the theory section p…

For non-Swedes, all the links with the domain "bra.se" is the government department for prevention of crime, and as part of that role has been given the objective from the government to collect crime statistic. They provide data, conclusions and advice the government on how to effectively combat crime. They also have direct access to police and court databases in order to achieve their objectives. They are the offici…

Should be noted that for years(decades?) they didn't do any statistics regarding the heritage of criminals because of the taboo, while a massive influx of migrants was coming.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/svt-s-rundringning-visar-...

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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"They will also be forced to leave, even if they are born in Sweden, because they have no natural connection to Sweden. They are not Swedish"

I listened to it, because of these threads. (My Swedish is passive rather than spoken, understanding it isn't the problem.) That quote is his answer to a question about people born here who commit crimes and live long-term on welfare; whether they can also be made to leave. It's not a freestanding statement about everyone born in Sweden to immigrant parents. And the passage continues past where your excerpt stops: "T…

Ok, do fix the Wikipedia article.

But, born here? Or not born here?

Anyhow, "criminals" is a way too vague concept for expelling someone from a country, especially when your party could come to power and criminalize anything you want.

And, Show me the man and I'll show you the crime: most people commit something illegal relatively frequently, sometimes without even realizing that it could be (e.g. copyright violations, libel, slight violations of obscure little-known laws...).

They'll typically never face consequences for that; but if you target them, or if it becomes more interesting for law enforcement to find any violation of the law on the part of someone, more often than not something will be found.

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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You didn't link it because it was an interesting thesis, you linked it to back up your claims when I asked for a source. Which it didn't do. You still need to provide a source for your claims. You can also retract your claims of course, that's fine too.

Sorry but this is a ridiculous request for something that has been so widely reported on over the last two years. You can search for all those news articles if you are interested. For something like this, there is no burden for me to prove anything to you.

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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post #108

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I listened to it, because of these threads. (My Swedish is passive rather than spoken, understanding it isn't the problem.) That quote is his answer to a question about people born here who commit crimes and live long-term on welfare; whether they can also be made to leave. It's not a freestanding statement about everyone born in Sweden to immigrant parents. And the passage continues past where your excerpt stops: "T…

Has any ruling party with this kind of view ever not significantly expanded their definition of "not ${country}ish" while in power?

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Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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post #78

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First, I’m not your buddy, and that kind of condescending language doesn’t really help the discussion. Second, I assumed these issues were common knowledge since the frequent shootings in broad daylight that have rocked Sweden in the last couple of years have been from immigrant gang violence, and I mistakenly assumed everyone was aware of these news reports. But perhaps it’s only most obvious here in Europe. There a…

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I don't know what an "ethnonationalist" is but it sounds derogatory, and replacing "buddy" with what I assume is an even worse insult is not helping the discourse here.

I do not live in Sweden, but the gang violence and problems reported there are in the news and I read about it frequently. The was the point of my original post, which is that there is a context to this discussion that many probably aren't getting because they have no direct links to the society there. I think some of the other comments in this thread do a better job of underscoring this point than I am.

Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

#126
post #122
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I listened to it, because of these threads. (My Swedish is passive rather than spoken, understanding it isn't the problem.) That quote is his answer to a question about people born here who commit crimes and live long-term on welfare; whether they can also be made to leave. It's not a freestanding statement about everyone born in Sweden to immigrant parents. And the passage continues past where your excerpt stops: "T…

Ok, do fix the Wikipedia article. But, born here? Or not born here? Anyhow, "criminals" is a way too vague concept for expelling someone from a country, especially when your party could come to power and criminalize anything you want. And, Show me the man and I'll show you the crime : most people commit something illegal relatively frequently, sometimes without even realizing that it could be (e.g. copyright violatio…

Come now, this is a response to very obvious criminal situations, parties like this (and SD) don't just pop up in very egalitarian, sectarian and liberal societies like Sweden for no reason whatsoever.

I empathise with the point you're making, and I suspect we agree on a lot more than you expect, but there is a serious issue with crime as it is currently defined.

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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People who look at this from a US political perspective is going to get a lot of misunderstanding unless one look into the specifics that are the Swedish political system and laws.

The party in question is a small local government party looking to primary get seats in their local government, but with aspiration to get into national politics under a special rule that provide a single seat (1 out of 349) in parliament if the party get enough votes in a local election. The politician in question has made some comments about national immigration policy during debates, which local government has no power over, and which is what the label ethnonationalist is exclusively based on. Last election they got 7 700 votes, and they would need around 20 000 votes to get that one parliament seat.

The specific quote in question has a bunch of context. The background was a parliamentary proposition that suggest that immigrants that are on subsidy programs should be required to do some social work as part of the integration process. The opposition disagreed, arguing that this would enable the government to exploit immigrants as free labor, and that is when this politician commented that if they want subsidy but refuse to work then they should return back to their home country (often translated as deported, which is not completely wrong translation but lacks context).

The discussion around deportation from Sweden is also very different from the political discussion in US. Sweden has been deporting people for about 100 years if a person lacks permission to stay in the country, and there is no party that is advocating to stop this. What is debated is the definition used in the exception for unsafe home country, and a bit about what specific circumstances a permission to stay in the country can be withdrawn. Except for the above mentioned parliamentary proposition, I do not know of any political statements that Örebro party or their leader has said on those issues.

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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post #74

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You didn't link it because it was an interesting thesis, you linked it to back up your claims when I asked for a source. Which it didn't do. You still need to provide a source for your claims. You can also retract your claims of course, that's fine too.

Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054

Re: I'm Done with Mullvad

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post #101
post #74

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Not in the news I've been reading - perhaps your news sources deserve a more critical evaluation?

Some of the other commenters here (from Sweden, it seems) are doing a better job than me at explaining the problem, so I defer to them:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977076

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48976762

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48977054

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