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Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by 9dev »

mschuster91 wrote: post #84
_trampeltier wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latency for interaction with AI? For something the user use browsers and electron apps. A ping goes around the whole world before your pressed key is visible on the screen.

> Latency for interaction with AI? It's not just AI. Video streaming or game streaming both depend on close proximity to the end user, alone because the data volume would completely overwhelm backhaul links... that's why Youtube, Netflix and a lot of CDNs all have colo facilities close to major population centers and their regionally dominant ISPs. It can be significantly cheaper to pay colo fees at an ISP' s data ce…

> Video streaming or game streaming both depend on close proximity to the end user

That's a straw man for this discussion. Yes, there will be a need to place some DCs close to users, but most of them could be located closer to energy production, attached to a backbone network, and the vast majority of customers would not suffer any degradation of service from it.

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by throwaway667555 »

inigyou wrote: post #83
throwaway667555 wrote: post #38

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Data centers increase strain on the grid, so their supply lines do too.

That makes no sense. Building new grid increases strain on the grid? No, it reduces strain, that's why they're doing it.

Without explanation, you think power plants aren't "the grid" that's being strained?

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by bell-cot »

rapidaneurism wrote: post #54
mschuster91 wrote: post #51

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Latency.

Does it matter for training?

I'd assume that site selection managers understand how recommending "only useful for training" locations might impact their careers.

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by quickthrowman »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #59
left-struck wrote: post #53

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Basically I just thought the leukaemia claim is quite an extraordinary claim, which requires extraordinary evidence if you’re trying to convince a sensible person of your claim. I know a thing or two about rf, emf and electricity in general and I don’t see why or how these hv wires would cause cancer, or if they did why would it be specifically leukaemia. I’m fully aware though that before we knew about nuclear radia…

> I know a thing or two about rf, emf and electricity in general and I don’t see why or how these hv wires would cause cancer, or if they did why would it be specifically leukaemia. Probably the same theory for how a microwave cooks food. > I’ve also anecdotally noticed that people are concerned about many things where there is like very marginal evidence that maybe this is slightly bad for you but then regularly eng…

> Probably the same theory for how a microwave cooks food.

At 60 hz? I think that’s a bit low for microwaving.

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by [deleted] »

Animats wrote: post #19

This could work out. We need, for example, ultra-high-voltage DC lines from the US wind belt to areas with real loads. The US wind belt is roughly from the Texas panhandle north to Canada. Plenty of wind, no big power users. But nobody has been able to build lines west to California or east to Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan, where the loads are. This is held up by land acquisition, not technology. China has so…

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Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by inigyou »

throwaway667555 wrote: post #92
inigyou wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That makes no sense. Building new grid increases strain on the grid? No, it reduces strain, that's why they're doing it.

Without explanation, you think power plants aren't "the grid" that's being strained?

I think the grid is the grid, you know, the system of interconnections between electricity producers and consumers.

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by iamnothere »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #66
oliwarner wrote: post #64

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> We run power lines to everything else But no, we don't seize rights and access to privately owned land for houses, offices, commercial buildings or factories unless there is overwhelming public benefit. I can't just say I want to build a factory and force access and utilities across my neighbours without their permission or an extraordinary process to prove that I'm going to provide massive local benefit (or nation…

>But no, we don't seize rights and access to privately owned land for houses, offices, commercial buildings or factories unless there is Ever since Kelo v New London we do. > overwhelming public benefit. This is just an appeal to authority that is predicated on the broad willful ignorance that the mean reader here will have toward how this particular sausage is made. Read the proceedings. Half the time it's bullshit…

It’s ironic that Chinese “nail house” owners get more property rights than US citizens in the The Land of the Free (tm).

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by Jordan-117 »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #70
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #65

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Does that actually make any sense when there is also plenty of wind across the ocean, which is >1000 miles closer to the coastal cities where people live?

Offshore wind power costs ~3 times more per MWh than on land. You can still do it if you're really low on space, but if you have tons of empty space anyway, it may very well be cheaper to simply build longer power lines.

Plus the current admin is extremely hostile towards wind power projects.

Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by [deleted] »

high_na_euv wrote: post #88
_trampeltier wrote: post #75

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Latency for interaction with AI? For something the user use browsers and electron apps. A ping goes around the whole world before your pressed key is visible on the screen.

Dafuck? No way lol Playing from eu on us servers is not playable >A ping goes around the whole world before your pressed key is visible on the screen.

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Re: When can a power company take your land for data center infrastructure?

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Post by aqme28 »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #65
Animats wrote: post #19

This could work out. We need, for example, ultra-high-voltage DC lines from the US wind belt to areas with real loads. The US wind belt is roughly from the Texas panhandle north to Canada. Plenty of wind, no big power users. But nobody has been able to build lines west to California or east to Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, and Michigan, where the loads are. This is held up by land acquisition, not technology. China has so…

Does that actually make any sense when there is also plenty of wind across the ocean, which is >1000 miles closer to the coastal cities where people live?

Tends to have a lot of unfortunate pushback from the well-connected people who like to live on coastlines.
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