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I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

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Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#101

Post by notarobot123 »

maxwelljoslyn wrote: post #36
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #26

If IndieWeb wants content, burying it under a ton of tech soup is the exact opposite of what they claim they want. How do the developers not realise that this set of protocols is completely unworkable for 90% of users? Please stop developing systems where the engineering is front and centre. If you want to put content UX first, you need to do exactly that, with a one-click solution that gets users up and running inst…

If you spend time in IndieWeb discussion circles, such as chat.indieweb.org or the get-togethers listed on events.indieweb.org, or if you spend time wandering through the indieweb.org wiki, you will find evidence that many of us share the view that UX must come first[1]. There are one-click-setup IndieWeb entry points. The most prominent is micro.blog which gives you a personal blog/site with all the latest IndieWeb…

Digital homesteading is the essence of the IndieWeb. Building things with one's own resources and know-how is part of it's DNA, whether or not that is acknowledged.

Because it's anti-platform and pro-ownership, content is secondary to the means of distribution. It's why it is bound to be a tech-heavy sub-culture and never a real alternative to big platforms.

Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#102

Post by 5701652400 »

andros wrote: post #73
5701652400 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://github.com/pricing https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/22817

GitHub Pages is free for public repos, which makes perfect sense for a public blog. IndieWeb content is public by design.

you guys keep shifting goal posts is nuts.

whatever critisism is just "IndieWeb decides not to do so".

not admiting own mistakes also goes hand-in-hand with it.

overall, recipe for disaster.

Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#103

Post by webdistortion »

notarobot123 wrote: post #101
maxwelljoslyn wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you spend time in IndieWeb discussion circles, such as chat.indieweb.org or the get-togethers listed on events.indieweb.org, or if you spend time wandering through the indieweb.org wiki, you will find evidence that many of us share the view that UX must come first[1]. There are one-click-setup IndieWeb entry points. The most prominent is micro.blog which gives you a personal blog/site with all the latest IndieWeb…

Digital homesteading is the essence of the IndieWeb. Building things with one's own resources and know-how is part of it's DNA, whether or not that is acknowledged. Because it's anti-platform and pro-ownership, content is secondary to the means of distribution. It's why it is bound to be a tech-heavy sub-culture and never a real alternative to big platforms.

which is exactly why the web lost, and large platforms won.

Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#104

Post by inigyou »

j45 wrote: post #95
andros wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than self-hosting, IndieWeb advocate for managing hosting; like GitHub Pages or similar.

IndieWeb could and should find ways to make self-hosting turn key. Some examples of that exist for sure.

Squarespace, Wix

If it's turnkey it can't be "self". Even if you could buy a magic hosting box to put in your home network, you would be dependent on its support.

Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#106

Post by inigyou »

quectophoton wrote: post #100
axus wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ultimately controlled by a country "more neutral" than the USA. Looks like .me is not neutral.

As far as I understand, everything ends up centralized to USA anyway (ICANN), who then tells everyone what TLDs are allowed or not.

If ICANN removed a country TLD it would be an international incident that would break the internet in two - USA and everyone else.

Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#109

Post by yoz-y »

webdistortion wrote: post #103
notarobot123 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Digital homesteading is the essence of the IndieWeb. Building things with one's own resources and know-how is part of it's DNA, whether or not that is acknowledged. Because it's anti-platform and pro-ownership, content is secondary to the means of distribution. It's why it is bound to be a tech-heavy sub-culture and never a real alternative to big platforms.

which is exactly why the web lost, and large platforms won.

Meh. “Won” who? For a long time I was sad about the lost web, but it turns out most people on social media that has replaced the web have nothing interesting to say.

I am sad about local groups and forums, but that is not something that IndieWeb is trying to solve.

The other problem is businesses that have retired to Instagram. which I find baffling.

Re: I joined the IndieWeb, here's what I learned

#110

Post by arccy »

andros wrote: post #25
inigyou wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Google doesn't like you, it can remove your domain. Also, many people (apparently not you) are uncomfortable giving money to Google. Google also ends up with some limited information about who is accessing your website.

I'm not very scared; there are no precedents for similar cases except for security problems or the dissolution of a country. Update: I see you've edited the comment. Regarding paying Google, I have no problem paying for their services. I don't know what the issue is. By the way, the domain is managed by Squarespace.

Google Registry / Charleston Road Registry Inc. operates the .dev TLD

What they sold to squarespace was Google Domains, the user facing registrar from which you can buy domains from most TLDs. It doesn't get any special treatment wrt to .dev

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