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LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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You can also spoof a keyboard and simulate keystrokes to open terminals and run arbitrary commands. I don't know about Windows, but on Linux it's possible to block USB connections by default and filter them in userspace: https://usbguard.github.io/ This allows enforcing rules like "never add an additional keyboard". But the USB protocol has no support for strong device authentication, so there's no way to prevent a d…

You can also spoof a keyboard and simulate keystrokes to open terminals and run arbitrary commands This is what any decent barcode reader does, by the way; and before USB, they would be inline taps that pass through a regular PS/2 keyboard.

It's one mode of barcode readers and not a particularly good one as it can't do arbitrary binary barcodes for obvious reasons and comes with all kinds of security concerns when you're scanning untrusted barcodes. Sadly even though barcode readers usually also support other modes (e.g. emulated serial over USB), many of them support switching modes via special barcodes so remain vulnerable.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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not a usb programmer, but are you saying i can buy any old usb chip and program it with any vendors ID and spoof windows into giving me admin? if so, gj micrcosoft.

You can "spoof" any system where you can load older drivers into giving you admin/root, you just need to find a vulnerable driver. Nothing Windows-specific in that.

The windows-specific part is that there is a huge repository of dubious quality vendor drivers that are automatically loaded over the internet. Kernel modules shipped with your favorite Linux distro are not even remotely comparable to that situation.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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> I can only conclude that Windows is basically malware now... Windows has worked like spyware since what, the late Windows 7 days or thereabout? End users should not regard this as inevitable. Or get caught up in the how-it-works-how-to-disable swamp. Instead, cut through to the essence. It's about respect: # Microsoft does not respect Windows users (or users of any of their offerings?). # LG does not respect people…

> why would you use such a sleazy company's product for daily driving Because alternatives are much worse or not available for scenarios people need. There, I've said the obvious.

What scenarios? Like installing an up to date web browser in which the user does everything?

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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That may sound obvious to you, but it's not for many, and this opinion of yours is shared by fewer and fewer people.

Some things not having viable alternatives on MacOS/Linux/BSD/whatever-else is not an opinion of mine. It's just life.

More often than not it is just an opinion or to be more precise: learned helplessness.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

I'm tired of everything being classified as "malware". The word has no meaning anymore. Malware can mean "zero-day state-sponsored ransomware attack" or it can mean "software was automatically installed by a trusted consumer-beloved company because they forgot to make an opt-out window" (which is what I'm guessing happened here).

Malware was always an overarching term for all kinds of unwanted software, there is no definition being widened here. The only thing that has changed is how much malware "reputable" corporations are shipping to their customers.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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If this were a person doing this, they would be in jail.

Companies consist of people.

Plus a liability shield, which is a problem without additional protection from those who abuse it.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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> A monitor cannot install software on your computer by the way. I think everyone in the HN crowd knows that. > the blame should be on Microsoft No, they blame should ALSO be on Microsoft, they are the enablers.

“I think everyone in the HN crowd knows that.” I would think everyone in the HN crowd would be aware of HEAC, the hdmi Ethernet channel, etc. With full access to the hosts tcp/ip stack, we’d do well not to overlook the potential vectors for a monitor to install software on your computer… especially when the operating system is complicit.

Do any PC graphics cards support Ethernet over HDMI?

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I'm wondering if we in Europe gets vastly different experience compared to Americans or elsewhere in the world. People complain about LG having ads everywhere in the monitors, displays and what not, but none of our LG products (bought and used in Spain) have any ads anywhere. I'm sitting here with a LG monitor and our main TV is a LG OLED TV, neither of them have ads anywhere, although I haven't booted Windows in a c…

> Americans are receiving more ads than in other parts of the world Ads aren't free, so yes, it would stand to reason that people in the largest consumer market in the world might garner more ad spend.

Adds are a market so they are priced according to demand.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I've successfully avoided these companies the last 5 years. Gaming as a whole is dead for me, I just play a couple of old games now & then. The culture is toast too, not just bad games or expensive hardware. So not really losing much sleep over any of this. I have linux on all my machines, so I really only play the one's that perform well on linux. Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013. Many of us are l…

> Gaming as a whole is dead for me There are millions of indies out there. Some are worth the time. It's a bit of a problem to figure out which though. > Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013 I don't think there are any non predatory online multiplayer games since 2013 :) And there are many online multiplayer games that would have been really good as single player.

> There are millions of indies out there. Some are worth the time. It's a bit of a problem to figure out which though.

There aren't many that provide the kind of experiences that 90's / early 00's AA studios did. At best you get a half-assed imitation built on top of Unity/UE.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Your OS is malware, if it's Windows.

Windows may not be the best OS for you but it definitely isn't malware.

Windows 11 already managed the installation without consent part for many users.
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