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Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by rob74 »

free652 wrote: post #58
margalabargala wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Champagne is absolutely not a "generic" product in the US. While some California wines were and still are sold as "California Champagne", there was a court decision back in 2006 which affirmed the same protected trademark for Champagne as in the rest of the world, with the caveat that wineries already using the "Champagne" name would be grandfathered in and permitted to continue doing so. A bottle of Champagne made i…

Champagne isn't a trademark and it's *generic* in US. What happened that in 2006 US signed an agreement with EU. Obviously everything can change. https://www.ttb.gov/system/files/images/pdfs/rulings/2008-1....

I guess it's "generic" in the sense that everyone calls a sparkling wine "champagne", same as everyone calls a copier a "Xerox machine", but if some other company would try to sell their copier using the Xerox name, they would still be sued by Xerox (the company)?

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by cyberrock »

inigyou wrote: post #6
4ndrewl wrote: post #4

For the vast majority of human existence 'dupe culture' was the norm. So far this is just a tiny 200 year abberation.

The centralisation is abnormal. Used to have one blacksmith in each village making clone horseshoes and earning a living. Now there's one company in South Korea that makes all the world's horseshoes and earns a million livings while each village has minus one living. And the guy who invented the horseshoe is sleeping under a bridge.

I think this is missing the part of the story where the blacksmith in South Korea comes to open a shop in your backyard and yet you delay them for years for inane reasons.

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by _carbyau_ »

defen wrote: post #79
_carbyau_ wrote: post #76

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This feels like it wasn't quite worded well. But yeah, when Deckers bought the Ugg brand name the quality went down. Similar to Dunlop Volleys which are now crappy quality too. I don't buy either now. Might as well get any other brands version of the same thing - the quality is unlikely to be any worse. Hell, my kid opted for fluffy crocs instead even though they are yet to truly know the word bogan...

So what are the good Australian boot/shoe brands now?

I'm not a fashion guru. I'd argue there isn't any good Australian brand.

Maybe R.M.Williams boots if your wallet is tolerant to something way overpriced.

But they seem to be targeting the exec crowd who want dress-boots-with-aussie-country-cred while this exact marketing ploy is causing the loss of that credibility.

Again with the brand abuse. But the brand wants to exude quality, even if it is way over priced for what you get, so that's something.

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by illliillll »

rob74 wrote: post #81
free652 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Champagne isn't a trademark and it's *generic* in US. What happened that in 2006 US signed an agreement with EU. Obviously everything can change. https://www.ttb.gov/system/files/images/pdfs/rulings/2008-1....

I guess it's "generic" in the sense that everyone calls a sparkling wine "champagne", same as everyone calls a copier a "Xerox machine", but if some other company would try to sell their copier using the Xerox name, they would still be sued by Xerox (the company)?

At least here in Europe, even children know that “sparkling wine” and “champagne” refer to different things.

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by uxhacker »

coldtea wrote: post #41
uxhacker wrote: post #36

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But as the Frankfurt School Famously said about the Mona Lisa that the copies make the original. In other words the copies give the original all the publicity to make it famous.

They said that, but it was already quite famous for centuries. As were other paintings, not copied, and not involved in some high publicity heist like it.

That was exactly the point. The fame came from the number of copies of the painting.

Some people say brands like Gucci became more famous because of the number copies made.

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by tomjakubowski »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #53
mjmas wrote: post #46

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A generic Australian product. But however Deckers owns Ugg as a trademark everywhere but here and NZ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugg_boots_trademark_dispute

Yes. In contrast to Mozzarella, Champagne, and many others which are generic products in the USA, and protected trademarks in their region of origin. I didn't realise the trademark holder is a US company.

Only mozzarella di bufala campana has PDO, even in Italy there are non-PDO, generic mozzarella cheeses produced outside the region.

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by techterrier »

inigyou wrote: post #6
4ndrewl wrote: post #4

For the vast majority of human existence 'dupe culture' was the norm. So far this is just a tiny 200 year abberation.

The centralisation is abnormal. Used to have one blacksmith in each village making clone horseshoes and earning a living. Now there's one company in South Korea that makes all the world's horseshoes and earns a million livings while each village has minus one living. And the guy who invented the horseshoe is sleeping under a bridge.

sure, but if the blacksmith starting passing off really shitty horseshoes he'd get driven out of town

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by jack1243star »

superxpro12 wrote: post #75

This kind of leaves out the biggest question imo which is that of quality. Usually, dupe's sacrifice quality for price. The fact that a market exists for this at all indicates a strong consumer acceptance of lower quality items. I do wonder, if the "premium" option were to never exist, would these "dupes" even exist in the first place as they seem to enjoy an "implied" quality that the premium option pays for, whilst…

>> Usually, dupe's sacrifice quality for price. The fact that a market exists for this at all indicates a strong consumer acceptance of lower quality items.

I think it is the other way around, too many brands lowered their quality enough that general consumers no longer believe (or perceive) the "premium" options to be worth it.

Might as well gamble and get the cheapest option that does not hurt the wallet too much, when high-quality is so rare these days.

Re: Dupes took over the world

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Post by DoneWithAllThat »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #48
bcraven wrote: post #2

With decreasing quality of branded products, there's less to distinguish them from dupes. https://ledger.worseonpurpose.com/

Solvair now make the real Dr Martens (in the UK)! The high street brand that owns the name makes all theirs in the far East. Check out Solvair if you can find them, they are better quality.

It’s Solovair, not Solvair.

Also if you want legit ones, including vintage, check out the UK Boot Company in Camden Town.

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