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The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by oliculipolicula »

jdw64 wrote: post #8
iguana_lawyer wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"Abstract Middle-aged to senior men of the ethnic majority and higher income groups are generally overrepresented in parliaments."

"In our sample of around one hundred countries the mean age in the voting population is 43.6 years ... This is in contrast to the age distribution among parliamentarians in our data set, with a mean age of 50.2 years."

[Not just being fair here] Palantir are now embracing "fully on-prem" deployments..

Question is whether this move is the sufficient seed of sophistication. enough to cause their own downfall from internal contradictions

(Slightly tangentially- I've noted that Palantir's own manifesto seemed to have reworded Dao De Jing 31)

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by jdw64 »

oliculipolicula wrote: post #11
jdw64 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Abstract Middle-aged to senior men of the ethnic majority and higher income groups are generally overrepresented in parliaments."

"In our sample of around one hundred countries the mean age in the voting population is 43.6 years ... This is in contrast to the age distribution among parliamentarians in our data set, with a mean age of 50.2 years." [Not just being fair here] Palantir are now embracing "fully on-prem" deployments.. Question is whether this move is the sufficient seed of sophistication. enough to cause their own downfall from inter…

I hope you've been doing well. It's hot these days—take care of yourself.

I haven't seen you on HN lately—have you been busy over the past few weeks?

I've just been getting by with a few small gigs.

Anyway, I also agree with this comment. To build real anger, you need sophistication. Have a good day.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by gremlinunderway »

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

gremlinunderway wrote: post #13

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

I'm not sure bow many special services the big tech companies provide.

Palantir's demo videos are very "we filtered down this list of people, here's the satellite imagery now, and we integrate well with your repaer drones and missiles systems to complete the kill chain! One click kill!" They probably patented & trademarked exactly that terminology. The Amazon of barely reviewed murder.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by warumdarum »

gremlinunderway wrote: post #13

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

The data its built on. Science goes where the data is and all of metas/googles social network data, aka all of human behavioral data builds the actual basis for Sims. The palantir in the company name is a reference to cellphones. Seeing stones to look into the heart of the man of the west and east..

Its basically a privatized science. With that you can give accurate scenario tree modeling and predictions to governments free of the retardations, idealizations and ideologies that plague the open source "sciences" that actually don't even want to know.

They also sell Datamining related tools that allow to implement policies.

Before 2008 - 2012 there buisness base just didn't exist.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by xboxnolifes »

gcr wrote: post #10
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #6

I think this manifesto conflates Palantir with: The CIA The NSA JSOC The US Armed Forces Weapons Contractors Law Enforcement Federal Counter-Intelligence Various dictatorships Criminal Enterprises Hit squads

Palantir pioneered forward-deployed engineering, aren’t they deeply embedded in the above?

They (maybe) pioneered forward-deployed software engineers. They certainly didn't pioneer sending engineers, or other experts, to help integrate systems.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by dzhiurgis »

gremlinunderway wrote: post #13

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

My guess is that it works so well that actual criminal enterprises and foreign adversaries found it a risk - so they send bots to brigade every comment section.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by watwut »

gremlinunderway wrote: post #13

What about this is unique to Palantir at all? As far as I'm aware, there are many, many more companies deeply embedded with the US intelligence community and law enforcement and Palantir isn't all that special here. Microsoft, Amazon, IBM, etc. all have massive contracts directly supporting the same thing. I don't understand what makes Palantir special here.

That the founder published his own manifesto where he outlined his company political goals?

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Post by adrian_b »

Any manifesto of this kind unavoidably contains many naive parts.

The reason is that it is always easy to notice what is bad around you, but it is very difficult to conceive what should be done about it.

The paragraphs of the manifesto about how serious the problem of mass surveillance and unaccountability of private companies has become, are undeniably correct.

Which is the solution for a better future is much less obvious.

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