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The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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I read the entire manifesto, and while I understand the anger, I wonder if generational hatred is really necessary. Of course, the older generation dominates, but that's the conclusion most societies reach anyway. The Baby Boomers before me were also dominated by the older generation of their time. This cycle has always existed. The real problem is that the fundamental nature of society has changed—with social friction diminishing, consumption centers converging, and wealth becoming concentrated. This is ultimately a problem of wealth redistribution, not the older generation itself. And among the older generation, unless they're in specific industries, there are many who have failed. They're not people to be excluded—they're part of our society.

There are some points I agree with. I agree with things like intergenerational resource distribution, but overall, this is the anger of young people, and I actually like that anger.

They say it's code vs law, but that code only works on specific platforms. Everyone loves open source, but they forget that the infrastructure to run that open source actually sits on top of large corporations.

It's true that programmers are the designers of power structures. I've also worked on one of the biggest systems in my career—a real-time streaming site for gambling—and I agree with the idea that once you participate in that, your responsibility doesn't just disappear.

Personally, this reads less as an anti-Palantir manifesto and more as anger toward the old guard's power. I think even if Palantir disappeared, as long as demand and data exist, another company would take its place.

So if it's truly an anti-surveillance manifesto, it shouldn't target a specific company name, but rather how data flows and power combine to attack us.

If that were the case, it would also need to attack the contradictions within open source itself. It would have to list Google's wrongdoings, and mention how Google keeps Mozilla Firefox alive just to avoid antitrust laws. In the end, it wouldn't be a simple good vs evil narrative, but something more tangled and complex.

Anyway, I agree with the intent, but there are many points in the manifesto that I find hard to agree with.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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It's only natural that older generations, having been part of society for longer, hold more dominant positions. I had to look up a paper on this to be sure, so I've referenced Wikipedia to find some research on the topic.[1][2]

Fundamentally, the aging of political leaders is a global issue. In reality, the average age of parliament members is higher than the average age of voters, and the overrepresentation of middle-aged to elderly men is a clear trend.

This is inevitable to some extent, because politics requires mobilizing campaign support, which costs a significant amount of money

[1]https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/soc4.128...

[2]https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-political-s...

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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It's only natural that older generations, having been part of society for longer, hold more dominant positions. I had to look up a paper on this to be sure, so I've referenced Wikipedia to find some research on the topic.[1][2] Fundamentally, the aging of political leaders is a global issue. In reality, the average age of parliament members is higher than the average age of voters, and the overrepresentation of middl…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's only natural that older generations, having been part of society for longer, hold more dominant positions. I had to look up a paper on this to be sure, so I've referenced Wikipedia to find some research on the topic.[1][2] Fundamentally, the aging of political leaders is a global issue. In reality, the average age of parliament members is higher than the average age of voters, and the overrepresentation of middl…

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"Abstract Middle-aged to senior men of the ethnic majority and higher income groups are generally overrepresented in parliaments."

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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I think this manifesto conflates Palantir with: The CIA The NSA JSOC The US Armed Forces Weapons Contractors Law Enforcement Federal Counter-Intelligence Various dictatorships Criminal Enterprises Hit squads

Kind of a problem though, if that’s who you’re getting mixed up with.

Re: The Anti-Palantir Manifesto

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I think this manifesto conflates Palantir with: The CIA The NSA JSOC The US Armed Forces Weapons Contractors Law Enforcement Federal Counter-Intelligence Various dictatorships Criminal Enterprises Hit squads

Palantir pioneered forward-deployed engineering, aren’t they deeply embedded in the above?
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