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Post by yieldcrv »

3x3m3 wrote: post #465
TheDong wrote: post #335

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I feel like there could also be a simpler explanation. Why does a debian contributor make debian free, why do they work on this thing anyone can use? Is it because linux and debian hate windows and iOS and want to see american fail? No, it's because most debian contributors believe software source code, information, should be free, users should be free to modify the code they use, and that they're building a thing th…

They believe that information should be so free so much so that they are completely censoring Tiananmen Square answers.

This interpretation of the Chinese constitution is nearly 40 years old, companies comply with it, what do you expect?

Despite have a free speech clause, it also has a national security clause that is used to control all facets of life and override all other rights in the constitution. Anything deemed to slightly alter China/the Party’s unity is reprimanded and illegal. Multi party states can fall into the same trapping if they give their national security law constitutional force, always one court ruling away.

Yes, China is a single party system making the constitution redundant and any nominally marxist regime would find a way to do the same out of necessity.

Follow your Chinese AI in thinking mode to watch its opinion of Tianamen Square references, it will be candid enough for your sensibilities and show how it operates around guardrails

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Post by wolttam »

margorczynski wrote: post #430
mchusma wrote: post #424

I counted the other day and there were at least 12 different providers with "better than Opus 4.5 performance" on Artificial Analysis, Opus 4.5 being Anthropic's December release that many say kicked off the latest acceleration. Which is totally insane competition, particularly given how low switching costs. I personally think that Opus 4.5 level performance is sufficient for most apps and usecases, as they get deplo…

> Which is totally insane competition, particularly given how low switching costs Which is why OAI and Anthropic will most probably push for more governmental control and bans. Without it their whole income model is cooked.

The U.S. has ~350 million people.

Anthropic and OAI can piss and moan all they want - limiting the U.S. to only their models would hurt the U.S. economy in myriad more ways than the failure of a couple of companies that scaled too quickly. If they get that outcome, the rest of the world would simply keep moving forward with access to open models and tokens at pennies on the dollar.

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Post by cyanydeez »

embedding-shape wrote: post #226
cyanydeez wrote: post #141

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dont we all deem the ability to improve large models as the defacto capability to produce small ones?

I don't think so, they have different constraints and require different optimizations, being able to produce one of them doesn't mean you'll automagically be good at the other.

but that's denying the singularity boostrap theory. Which I don't agree with, but if you can't harness a large model to make a small model, then we're going to have problems brining about the singularity.

If you do think there's some magical singularity, how do you comport?

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Post by jared0x90 »

monster_truck wrote: post #383

I really like Qwen, even the Q2KP quants of 3.6 27B have genuinely impressive local performance on a 24GB card. It has been good enough that I am happily giving them $60 right now to try this instead of waiting to try a slightly lesser version locally. Was there ever an explanation for why we never got the weights of 3.7? I would like sourced quotes and not weird/cringe accusative speculation about distillation, or y…

do you mind sharing your settings? i just picked up an r9700 to start playing with local qwen3.6 27b and your setup sounds promising and efficient on 24gb.

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Post by esseph »

polyomino wrote: post #451
bigyabai wrote: post #434

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You could argue that Linux is a trillion-dollar project, it doesn't shift the goalposts.

Linux is a huge project and is not really comparable to Debian

This is an interesting statement that I found myself reading from two different interpretations of what you meant, and I find both possibilities to be equally true depending on your POV.

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Post by whyenot »

maxrumpf wrote: post #444

> "compatible" instead of "comparable." It boggles my mind how you can train a frontier model but not write a tweet without an obvious typo.

The people training the model are almost certainly not the same ones writing tweets. I don't know why that is mind boggling. We all make typos, at least the humans among us do.

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Post by wolttam »

culi wrote: post #450
margorczynski wrote: post #430

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> Which is totally insane competition, particularly given how low switching costs Which is why OAI and Anthropic will most probably push for more governmental control and bans. Without it their whole income model is cooked.

I'm not sure if corporations will be willing to allow LLMs to go the way of EVs. Then again, all of Chinese models are open. And DeepSeek even publishes research papers alongside their models that go in depth into the methodology. I guess there's not much stopping USian companies from copying

DeepSeek isn't the only one publishing; Kimi published about both their Attention Residuals and KDA / sparse attention.

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WillPostForFood wrote: post #469
asdewqqwer wrote: post #410

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It is hilarious to see people from arguable the most polarized political systems in the world believing the evil 1.5 billion people across the sea share one single mind, either a saint, or a devil.

It will be a great day for China and the world when the Chinese people are free from a totalitarian dictatorship. But until then we have to speak of the policy of the Chinese government as the policy of China, even if many, or most disagree with those policies.

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Post by chromadon »

edm0nd wrote: post #353
TheDong wrote: post #335

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I feel like there could also be a simpler explanation. Why does a debian contributor make debian free, why do they work on this thing anyone can use? Is it because linux and debian hate windows and iOS and want to see american fail? No, it's because most debian contributors believe software source code, information, should be free, users should be free to modify the code they use, and that they're building a thing th…

Yeah the Chinese totally have a really good history with being completely open and giving lol. The Chinese government totally has not been hacking into American and Western fortune 500 companies for the past few decades stealing R&D and tech to use for themselves. The Chinese also totally do not steal hundreds of billions of dollars of IP from America annually. Totally not something they would do!

Why do you think competing companies poach engineers from each other?
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