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Re: Qwen 3.8

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I'm haven't found an announcement page, but there's a banner on the website announcing Qwen 3.8 and redirecting to this page. Looks like they're previewing the model only on their subscription plan.

(This comment was originally on another merged post, and "this page" referred to https://www.qwencloud.com/pricing/token-plan)

Re: Qwen 3.8

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I'm not sure about "useless" but from my experience agentic coding leads to death by a thousand cuts for all projects I've seen so far. Small decisions missed in a codebase that leads to degradation in correctness, reliability and performance. At some point it only takes one engineer to be careless, others skipping PR because they are AI generated...

I got into a bit of an argument a while back when I used the word "crass" to describe some of the code decisions I've seen Claude make (in someone else's project that I have to work with). But it is how I feel and it feels like the right word for the job. Because as you say, good code projects start out with good decisions. It's like when you see a CAD design with a sequence of features that exist only to fix problem…

Exactly, and even when humans make bad decisions there is some friction, I feel that llm's don't have/notice that friction, they just bulldoze without caring about anything else.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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How dare they buy things

But they didn't. The deal to buy 40% of the world's memory never happened after the price increases the news generated.

How dare they not buy things

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Really? The USA has built a ton of AI datacenters, exactly because it does have energy. The US IP system has flexed to allow training on all copyrighted content - compare that to Europe where such training is effectively forbidden. Britain doesn't even allow commercial web crawls! And the US has allowed the entire world to sign up and use its LLM APIs.

Consumer energy prices in China aren’t going up because of AI data centers. Easiest way to see they have an oversupply of energy, primarily due to solar.

They don't have many big AI datacenters as they've been GPU constrained for a long time.

Solar is largely irrelevant. You can't run an AI datacenter off solar.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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> It's hard to say what their motivation is. Feels pretty easy to me. They want to turn LLMs into a commodity, and watch the US AI labs crash and burn. There will still be plenty of customers who will pay them to host the models and run inference, even if the weights are open and others can offer competing products. (If necessary, the Chinese government can ban use of foreign inference services by Chinese citizens an…

I feel like there could also be a simpler explanation. Why does a debian contributor make debian free, why do they work on this thing anyone can use? Is it because linux and debian hate windows and iOS and want to see american fail? No, it's because most debian contributors believe software source code, information, should be free, users should be free to modify the code they use, and that they're building a thing th…

They believe that information should be so free so much so that they are completely censoring Tiananmen Square answers.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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I assume that this announcement has been prompted by that of Moonshot AI, which has just announced a 2.8T parameter open-weights LLM, Kimi K3, to be published on Huggingface by 27 July. Now the response of Alibaba is that they will also publish soon a big open weights LLM, the 2.4T parameter Qwen 3.8. I wonder if Alibaba has always planned to make this big LLM open weights, or they have chosen to do this now, to bett…

And the Kimi release was probably prompted by the Inkling announcement. Excited for Chinese labs to copy those capabilities over as well!

yep. kimi 3 just because the open source GOAT.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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> "compatible" instead of "comparable." It boggles my mind how you can train a frontier model but not write a tweet without an obvious typo.

at the risk of upsetting a lot of people mentioning this but like are you really surprised? if youre going to use ai for everything youre gonna start losing your edge as you focus less and less on what youre doing and this isnt me just talking out my ass, like... the front page here is peppered with study after study and blogpost after blogpost about how its overuse can come to the detriment of one's own abilities an…

This is the sort of unmitigated pedantry thats the real problem. Everyone makes typos and errors of this nature. Feymann and Hemmingway both did. You deliberately chose this level of error multiple times when you chose to not put an apostrophe in youre and failed to capitalize proper nouns

Come off that high horse

Re: Qwen 3.8

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Yeah the Chinese totally have a really good history with being completely open and giving lol. The Chinese government totally has not been hacking into American and Western fortune 500 companies for the past few decades stealing R&D and tech to use for themselves. The Chinese also totally do not steal hundreds of billions of dollars of IP from America annually. Totally not something they would do!

It is hilarious to see people from arguable the most polarized political systems in the world believing the evil 1.5 billion people across the sea share one single mind, either a saint, or a devil.

It will be a great day for China and the world when the Chinese people are free from a totalitarian dictatorship. But until then we have to speak of the policy of the Chinese government as the policy of China, even if many, or most disagree with those policies.

Re: Qwen 3.8

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It's a flippant answer to a real question. Anthropic, OpenAI, and even Grok have "Don't train on my data" knobs. Whether you trust them is different, but there ARE knobs on other hosted AI companies.

Those knobs don't do anything, don't be silly. It's just optics.

I don't have the energy to cynically squint at everything in my life. If a company says "We won't track you" I'll believe it until proven otherwise.

When these companies prove dishonest, I'll adopt skepticism.

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