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NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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I'm pretty sure if they stopped skirting the laws, it'd eliminate a decent cohort of their customer base. Watching someone come through a pedestrian area at 45 mph on a "bicycle" that clearly is an electric motorcycle is pretty interesting.

Holy crap! How do they stop at that speed with those thin bicycle tires?

My e-scooter reaches 45 mph (advertised as 53). Normally, you would stop using the brakes or regen.

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It's a landlord's market because there are not enough properties, if there was a larger supply the tenants would be able to make choices and defacto reject bad options. How do you change that, short of building more?

Require advertisements for property to include the floor (and ground) area.

While that would be useful it would not change it from a landlords-market - which is what the comment I replied to was about.

Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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It's a landlord's market because there are not enough properties, if there was a larger supply the tenants would be able to make choices and defacto reject bad options. How do you change that, short of building more?

In Europe we've used regulations. There's standardised ways to measure area of an apartment/house, and it has to be included in any ads and contract of sale/rent. If the actual area doesn't match what's in the ads/contract the landlord/seller will be in trouble. I saw a news article once where the landlord,iirc, had to return all rent money to the tenant. The tenant had lived there for a while(memory is fuzzy, I thin…

The parent was talking about it being a "landlords market" and wanting that to be changed. I asked how that might be possible.

Improving advertisements to make them accurate, detailed, and directly-comparable is obviously a good thing. But does not change the market in favour of the tenants; the status-quo exists because of a lack of properties. That means no matter how bad the advert(s) tenants have to choose one available. If there were a surplus of properties then it would be a tenant's market.

(I'm in Europe!)

Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Because every time something new comes along, people will push boundaries while arguing it is acceptable. In this case, they may argue that it is no different from physically furnishing an apartment, taking some photos, then removing the furniture. At least in terms of representing the product. Clearly using AI is much easier and cheaper than physically furnishing the apartment for a couple of hours. Some may even ge…

That doesn't answer the question. If you used photoshop's content-aware fill (introduced over a decade ago) to hide imperfections in your apartment, that would still be deceptive advertising. Moreover it's almost as easy as asking AI to do it, so the "AI makes everything easier" excuse doesn't work either. I think the reason is clear. Politicians love to enact bills for already illegal things, but tailored for the cu…

It's not just good PR for politicians to pass " case of already illegal is explicitly illegal"-laws. Prosecuting a violation of tends to be a lot harder because in addition to providing evidence for it requires convincing a judge that even applies to in the first place. You get to short-circuit that ordeal by passing a law that clarifies the intent that yes, is in fact an instance of without having to go all the way through setting precedent in higher courts.

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The normal definition of square footage I've seen typically includes hallways and stairs. (Though often not garages.) Personally, I wish we would normalize including exact floor plans with measurements.

They mean the apartment building hallways and elevators. As in, if you summed the square footage of all the apartments on a floor, you'd get a number greater than the actual dimensions of the floor, because the common areas are counted multiple times.

That shouldn’t be the case. In some cases it would also be ridiculous, when the common areas are larger than the apartments themselves (corridors, elevators, technical rooms, etc.). They do include the proportional square footage corresponding to each apartment. But this is still very misleading because some buildings have a lot of common areas that can double the advertised size of the very small apartments.

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I am a big supporter of AI and use it heavily. I agree with this. It's not about AI at all. It's about a blanket ban to prevent deceit when selling a product or service. It should be depicted as it is. AI just lowers the barrier for deceit (unfortunately), but it's not the only tool that can be used towards that end. Ban all deceitful advertising.

AI should not be allowed in photos of products being sold, period. That's pure false advertising. Disclosing is not enough.

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Wasn't that already implicitly the case? Aren't there laws against deceptive advertising? It sounds like an incredibly sensible rule. But is this something a mayor can just declare? Isn't this something aa legislative body has to decide?

It's exactly because there are laws against deceptive advertising that Mamdani can enact theses rules. NYC's Administrative Code prohibits deceptive trade practices, false advertising, misleading representations made to customers, etc. It gives the NYC Department of Consumer and Worker Protection authority to execute those broad guidelines by enacting specific rules. So Mamdani and the DCWP are basically saying, "Cit…

This makes sense. So my two questions are the answer to each other. Interesting.

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Obviously not, though they may count as misleading image manipulation, and should be similarly regulated. The problem is subjectivity - AI is just a convenient bright line with an easy definition.

You want the government to monitor people's profiles on dating apps? The ministry of dating photos

Making murder illegal doesn't imply that the government stalks you 24/7 to make sure you don't murder someone
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