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They didn't order a specific meal, they asked for specific items to be excluded from their meals. I'm often cooking for vegans, and it's really not that fricken difficult.
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Doesn’t seem like these two guys were vegan for Instagram internet points or for following a trend. They’re not trying to game the system for steak, medium rare. Their dietary restrictions are part of a larger belief system — they’re vegans because it’s the only diet consistent with their beliefs about animal rights. Irrespectively of my own personal opinion on ethical veganism, if it’s a sincerely held belief, it sh…
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I wish this form of Veganism was more well-known. I know a few Vegans who went down a similar path and who were told by a few people they were no longer Vegan. They took the easier path and stopped calling themselves Vegans, which I thought was sad given their objectives when becoming Vegan were clear from the get-go.
I wish more Vegans were able to accept this form of spectrum that you are talking about. Food is quite a social thing. JaidenAnimation has done a great video[0] summarizing something like this of her vegan journey and exactly this type of nuance as well, I highly recommend checking it out Let me give you a personal example as well, I am Hindu and Milk is very very preferred where I live. Due to my taste preference, I…
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People have gotten sick of the constant virtue-signaling.
That would suggest a fundamental difference in practical ethics between the two cultures. It sounds like people over there in America don’t do things because they enjoy doing them or because they’re convinced that those are the right things to do, but rather they do them to impress others or improve their social standing. It doesn’t sound right to me, I mean a culture can’t be so totally obsessed with the self.
> It doesn’t sound right to me, I mean a culture can’t be so totally obsessed with the self.
One of our (the US) early political mottoes is "Don't Tread On Me" and it has a flag.
And, yes, we can be and to varying degrees, are. Which is why we can't get along with ourselves very well, much less everyone else.
We're tetchy.
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That would suggest a fundamental difference in practical ethics between the two cultures. It sounds like people over there in America don’t do things because they enjoy doing them or because they’re convinced that those are the right things to do, but rather they do them to impress others or improve their social standing. It doesn’t sound right to me, I mean a culture can’t be so totally obsessed with the self.
> It doesn’t sound right to me, I mean a culture can’t be so totally obsessed with the self. One of our (the US) early political mottoes is "Don't Tread On Me" and it has a flag. And, yes, we can be and to varying degrees, are. Which is why we can't get along with ourselves very well, much less everyone else. We're tetchy.
Right, but that would mean the „Don’t tread on me” motto is also a type of persona assumed (like veganism) by people who like being perceived as tough and unruly because that’s respected.
(I guess „persona” would be a better word for it than „the self”.)
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I think veganism in America went through a popular phase, then simply faded as a pop concept. Perhaps your experiences in the UK merely reflect that, there, it is just going through a temporary uptick of fad.
People have gotten sick of the constant virtue-signaling.
Yes, people in the US definitely have trouble with virtue.
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#37Not providing vegan options is morally equivalent to forcing Jews to have pork or non-Kosher meals or Muslims pork or non-Halal meals; it's mean spirited, insensitive, and/or disrespectful treatment. Plus, there are many major religious/ethnic groups that skew towards mandatory and high probability of veganism.
PSA: Meat ag is a danger to us all just on rational grounds: antibiotic resistance (bacteria evolution), pandemics (viral evolution), air-water-soil pollution, and climate change. For most Westerners, we have all kinds of food choices that are perfectly nutritious without inflicting all of the risks of unnecessary demand for meat. It will hopefully be eventually viewed in the distant future with such disdain and repugnance as cannibalism or consuming pets or exotic animals.
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People have gotten sick of the constant virtue-signaling.
Yes, people in the US definitely have trouble with virtue.
You forgot 'signalling' which is what people in the West - not just the USA - are tired of. I know I am tired of it and I'm neither an American nor in the USA.
Stating that a whole country has problems with virtue is rather stigmatising and something you'd complain about if it were about any country in what some have taken to call the "global South".
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Jains would be vegan though i assume?
I don't know any Jain well, but I believe they drink milk and fermentation products, but do not consume honey. Open to correction.
Jains in India are heavy consumers of dairy products. They consume honey too. Most of them would avoid vegetables that grow underground and avoid the use of leather. They’re generally a bit closer to orthodox Hindus in practice.
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Yes, people in the US definitely have trouble with virtue.
You forgot 'signalling' which is what people in the West - not just the USA - are tired of. I know I am tired of it and I'm neither an American nor in the USA. Stating that a whole country has problems with virtue is rather stigmatising and something you'd complain about if it were about any country in what some have taken to call the "global South".
>is rather stigmatising
Oh you went with the "rather" instead of the "quite" that's interesting. Anyway if vegans want to say "I am vegan" you'd profit from taking just a second to ask yourself why you get reflexively pissy about it.