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ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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I know vegans who consume dairy/eggs once they become responsible for the husbandry of those sources.

I wish this form of Veganism was more well-known. I know a few Vegans who went down a similar path and who were told by a few people they were no longer Vegan. They took the easier path and stopped calling themselves Vegans, which I thought was sad given their objectives when becoming Vegan were clear from the get-go.

I wish more Vegans were able to accept this form of spectrum that you are talking about. Food is quite a social thing.

JaidenAnimation has done a great video[0] summarizing something like this of her vegan journey and exactly this type of nuance as well, I highly recommend checking it out

Let me give you a personal example as well, I am Hindu and Milk is very very preferred where I live. Due to my taste preference, I dislike Milk but I am really expected to have something milk based so I like Yogurt.

Even just this small act of preference of yogurt rather than Milk which could seem pretty small has genuinely left my relatives asking many many questions and I am sometimes forced to drink milk when I go to people when I would prefer otherwise because of social pressure.

I can probably take vegan yogurt if I particularly want so but we take milk fresh from the milkman who owns the cow in their house. where I live, the way people treat animals in their house is a very ethical point of view, its basically like how pets are except they help in livelihood/income

So I have some sympathies to people who you are talking about. There is enough social pressure from the people around you.

More broadly speaking, Veganism might perhaps land better as a spectrum rather than a binary switch. It has a lot of things going for it which could help its future but at the same time, it gets a large amount of flack from a loud minority and bad clips

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gKJ9mMPuIQ

Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish this form of Veganism was more well-known. I know a few Vegans who went down a similar path and who were told by a few people they were no longer Vegan. They took the easier path and stopped calling themselves Vegans, which I thought was sad given their objectives when becoming Vegan were clear from the get-go.

I wish more Vegans were able to accept this form of spectrum that you are talking about. Food is quite a social thing. JaidenAnimation has done a great video[0] summarizing something like this of her vegan journey and exactly this type of nuance as well, I highly recommend checking it out Let me give you a personal example as well, I am Hindu and Milk is very very preferred where I live. Due to my taste preference, I…

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Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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Doesn’t seem like these two guys were vegan for Instagram internet points or for following a trend. They’re not trying to game the system for steak, medium rare. Their dietary restrictions are part of a larger belief system — they’re vegans because it’s the only diet consistent with their beliefs about animal rights.

Irrespectively of my own personal opinion on ethical veganism, if it’s a sincerely held belief, it should be treated the same as, say, a Jewish inmate requesting to eat kosher, or a Muslim inmate requesting to eat halal. A prison sentence shouldn’t effectively force you to break with those beliefs.

Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know vegans who consume dairy/eggs once they become responsible for the husbandry of those sources.

I wish this form of Veganism was more well-known. I know a few Vegans who went down a similar path and who were told by a few people they were no longer Vegan. They took the easier path and stopped calling themselves Vegans, which I thought was sad given their objectives when becoming Vegan were clear from the get-go.

I think it's often called ovo-lacto vegetarian. There are also pescetarians.

Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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Hindu drink milk and eat cheese, butter, and honey. Not vegan.

Jains would be vegan though i assume?

I don't know any Jain well, but I believe they drink milk and fermentation products, but do not consume honey. Open to correction.

Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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(1) An inmate is not allowed (essentially, by the society) a specific diet dictated by his/her belief; and, (2) A poor person cannot afford (essentially, because of the society) a nutritious and delicious meal dictated by his/her needs or wants.

What are the differences between them? Are there differences at all?

Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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(1) An inmate is not allowed (essentially, by the society) a specific diet dictated by his/her belief; and, (2) A poor person cannot afford (essentially, because of the society) a nutritious and delicious meal dictated by his/her needs or wants. What are the differences between them? Are there differences at all?

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Re: ECHR confirms ethical veganism is a protected philosophical belief

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I think veganism in America went through a popular phase, then simply faded as a pop concept. Perhaps your experiences in the UK merely reflect that, there, it is just going through a temporary uptick of fad.

People have gotten sick of the constant virtue-signaling.

I think you've pinpointed the reason, although unintentionally: the US is so focused on culture wars that people can't visibly follow a vegan diet without being attacked for it.
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