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LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Yep. Not free-for-all, but silently installed crap collecting metrics is well within their expectations.

So... When people expect to be harmed because they've been harmed before, then it's perfectly OK when they get harmed again. Neato.

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Similar happens for HP devices. They install their printer "ink reminder" ad popups automatically when it grabs the driver.

Ink reminder is annoying, but marginally relevant to printer.

I have yet to see an linkage from LG monitor to McAfee virus.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. There is no mechanism in standard Linux distributions to automatically download software from a vendor when you plug a device (apart from firmware updates through fwupd, but those are curated). So perhaps you could elaborate?

> no mechanism in standard Linux distributions Now, when I first ran Linux in the mid-1990s, this was true. "Plug-and-play" is just peaking over the horizon. Other systems have had it for years (the Amigans for example) but for the PC it's pretty new. But today a whole lot of mechanism is spun up when the kernel realises something new was added. A netlink socket talks to a udev daemon, in userspace and that daemon, b…

But today a whole lot of mechanism is spun up when the kernel realises something new was added. A netlink socket talks to a udev daemon, in userspace and that daemon, being ordinary userspace software can do whatever it wants including of course run a bunch of arbitrary shell scripts, which can in turn do whatever they want. So yes of course they could download arbitrary software, or delete all your files with a Z in their name.

I know how udev works (old enough to have used Linux without hotplugging and the old hotplug scripts pre-udev).

You still haven't told me which distribution has a mechanism for udev that downloads arbitrary executable code from a vendor. It's a programmable system, so of course it is possible to implement this. My point is, I don't think any mainstream distribution does this.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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Microsoft BASIC was a pretty decent interpreter, I wouldn't call it "shitware", so there you go?

I don't remember DOS 6.22 blue screening on me. Maybe it wasn't so bad.

That's because it black-screened instead.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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This is so much worse that the title makes it out to be: 1. Your OS installs malware (technically manufacturers software) from a 3rd party vendor in background, zero user interaction 2. Happens as soon as you or anyone with physical access plug in a device into the HDMI port 3. That malware has internet and full system access, no sandboxing 4. It starts with every system boot 5. This software gets installed when you…

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Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I am tired of this. LG is now on my blacklist alongside EA and Blizzard Entertainment for their anti consumer practices. I can't change them, I can't change policies about it. I can choose to not buy.

> Blizzard Entertainment You mean "Microsoft Xbox Activision Blizzard King Bethesda Mojang"? I wish you luck with your boycott.

What's so difficult in avoiding their products? I haven't bought a single EA, Ubisoft, Activision, Blizzard, Bethesda, Microsoft game in at least 5 years and yet I have more good games to play than time to play them.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I also discovered that these days motherboards come with a payload in their chipset, which gets installed automatically in background unless you figure out to turn it off from BIOS before installing Windows. In my case it was bunch of ASUS useless stuff, not just drivers, some "Armoury Crate" etc. Which just keeps running in background. I've switched to KDE, that kind of solved itself.

This does not make sense to me. It's likely the exact same scenario where the software is delivered using windows driver infra structure for the chipset.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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This is (one of) the downsides of Windows' vendor-provided driver system. Compared to Linux's FOSS-centered system. When folks ask "Why doesn't Linux have a stable binary DDK API" this is one of the inevitable downsides of having it.

I think the fault is entirely on Microsoft for allowing the abuse. I do remember back in the older windows that the driver that auto installs was always the bare basic thing to make the device work. If you wanted the whole support you had to go and download or install from disc.

Re: LG monitors silently install software through Windows Update without consent

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I've successfully avoided these companies the last 5 years. Gaming as a whole is dead for me, I just play a couple of old games now & then. The culture is toast too, not just bad games or expensive hardware. So not really losing much sleep over any of this. I have linux on all my machines, so I really only play the one's that perform well on linux. Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013. Many of us are l…

> Gaming as a whole is dead for me There are millions of indies out there. Some are worth the time. It's a bit of a problem to figure out which though. > Haven't played online multiplayer games since ~2013 I don't think there are any non predatory online multiplayer games since 2013 :) And there are many online multiplayer games that would have been really good as single player.

Most of the best games I have ever played are either indies or Nintendo games. Feels like independent developers and sometimes Nintendo are the only ones still trying to make fun games with original ideas while the rest of the industry has shifted its focus entirely towards cookie cutter slop and lazy remasters.
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