> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.
Not as much as their East Asian neighbors, who had increasing democracy and fewer deaths to starvation…
> Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? Yes, but China-bad ideology demands that we ask ”at what cost?”
China isn't bad, the CCP is.
The CCP now has proved a 'better' system than the western 'democracy' that is in many ways at the end of its life.
> lifting historically unprecedented numbers of people out of abject poverty. Basically true, but not much more than that for most Chinese. The urban modern success story presented to the world is a surprisingly small segment of a notably larger population and even for many in that smaller more fortunate segment the gravy days are long ago and no sign of returning yet. https://eastasiaforum.org/2011/08/19/in-the-city…
And chinese don't have full freedom of movement. China uses a system called called hukou which binds a persons rights and benefits to their birthplace. This has created a population of 350 million rural migrants who live in cities but still have a rural hukou and are treated like second class citizens in their own country. https://borgenproject.org/chinas-hukou-system-restricts-mobi...
China is a communists based country. Everything is organized and for everything there is a plan. Unlike America where it's free for all. We probably would die from unhappiness in China. But it works for them and they are pretty successful in it.
Many years ago had my first Gopro camera that seriously overheated, sent it for repairs, they said there was nothing wrong with it. It literally turned too hot to handle after taking a few clips and wouldn't work. I think there was some serious hardware issue that caused it to then drain the whole battery. Gave the brand a second chance some years ago. Couldn't export my videos from the app, it always hanged. So I co…
I missed a lot of footage last year too, after buying a newer model GoPro. Turns out, they now ship a battery that cannot handle even mildly freezing temperatures. Impossible to film while skiing. Of course, you have to buy a special winter battery, and none of their product marketing mentions this.
WOW the classic yes...but..., where's these statement coming from? I'm Chinese and I don't get the point here at all, you guys seem living in vacuum with biased news, and know much much better than we people living here, that's really confusing everytime I see/read comments lie this. China now is open freely for almost everyone, come and see by yourslef, if you not living poverty. The world itslef does not work the p…
Tell your neighbors, friends, and government bureaucrats about the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. Let me know how that goes.
Is that all you can find? Pretty empty list. I can probably create a long list of atrocities done by the west last 5 years alone.
I had a GoPro Hero 7 and 8. In the -10c snow they battery wouldn't even last for 5 minutes. It's a bad product and just like with cars and solar the Chinese are ruthlessly out-engineering the west.
TheOutdoorBoys youtube channel mentioned something about special batteries for cold temps. -10c for many of his hiking and camping trips isn't unusual, and (as I understand it) he did weekly videos with Go Pros for a decade. He probably knows a thing or two.
This is true. They sell special "winter batteries" now. What a poor decision...
China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit. China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism. There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.
China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail... They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet. China does not have universal health care. China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too? Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.
Are you serious? Who is killing thousands abroad and playing corrupt mobster mister policeman in the entire world?
Or course China is supporting Russia. It's geopolitics. The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine. Russia doesn't like this. A failing Russia means China is next. Hard to understand? And China does have universal affordable healthcare.
Maybe, just maybe you should visit one of the large cities in China. You will be surprised how far ahead they are on so many areas. Infrastructure, cultural, government structures, schools, hospitals and more.
>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)
> Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) We could, but don't expect the results to be as clear cut as you think :) https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-... https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-eur... https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communi... https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-... http…
This is the key though: it’s not just supposed subsidies, because the Chinese companies are fundamentally just faster and more efficient
I would argue the real answer is world class supply chain for high tech manufacturing. And that supply chain is heavily subsidised.
Not just subsidised, but the supply chain is literally in the same block.
That's the thing Chinese do where other countries can't compete. If you're making product X, all of your suppliers are within walking distance around your assembly line.
If you look at these US high-tech consumer products, many companies started out much “simpler”. GoPro was a disposable film camera and a wrist-strap, and iteratively got to where it is today. The iPod came out much before the iPhone. As you say, the R&D is a hard sell when you have to go from 0 product to a fully featured state-of-the-art. Somehow, these Chinese companies can spend years copying and then once locked…
So why doesn't the US do it in reverse? Surely there's some R&D going on in China that US can reverse engineer.
They need to learn Chinese first, then to watch Chinese forums.