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Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by t0mpr1c3 »

lostlogin wrote: post #272
hdgvhicv wrote: post #193

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If you’ve spent a life and the market being supreme then it’s a shock. China’s economic system is wiping the floor with the west. The U.K. has just nationalised a steel plant which had been bought by China to stop it from being destroyed, and of course the economic right wing hate this as steel is far cheaper to import.

Britain is on a hell of a trajectory. First Brexit then the rise of Reform. If that scam of a man wins the next election, it’ll be quite the show.

You're not wrong.

But unlike the USA, at least Britons realized Brexit was a mistake. And that Johnson was corrupt and a liar.

I am a citizen of both the UK and USA.

It is astonishing to me that Trump could be voted back in after attempting a coup.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by t0mpr1c3 »

spacewrangler wrote: post #360
t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #353

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The "idea" of Trump's tariffs (if there ever was one) is to subvert the US constitution which places taxation under the control of congress, not the president.

False. Tariffs are a standard foreign policy tool used as an economic negotiating tactic.

The US government is literally refunding the tariffs because they were illegal.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by Hammershaft »

a34729t wrote: post #187
Robotbeat wrote: post #89

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GoPro is a US company designed in U.S. with manufacturing in Thailand, China, and Mexico. Insta360 is a Chinese company designed in Shenzhen and built there, too. People think this doesn’t matter, but GoPros are used all over in aerospace. If we replaced the brand with Insta360, that puts a big attack vector all over the place. A similar pattern happened with drones with DJI, intentionally killing all non-Chinese dro…

100%. It would strongly behoove the US to encourage domestic 3d printer manufacture (or friendly countries like Japan), to the point of bannning Bambu and Chinese companies. Obviously we are doing fine for industrial 3d printers, but the small scale consumer stuff is very important too. If and when AI commiditizes professional services, it would be good to have modern industry to fall back on. With 3d printing the ga…

The cost of your proposed policies to consumers, to the Americans who can create because of cheap great Chinese printers and wouldn't be able to create under your policy... is much greater than the abstract industrial policy benefit.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by tejtm »

lyu07282 wrote: post #351
tejtm wrote: post #309

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It is not as though other countries could not choose do the same. It seem to me that China choosing to subsidize industry it is not so different than the US choosing to subsidize Roads, Autos and OIL. In both cases it does seem to work splendidly as intended. Other than political inertia (or economic reasons far beyond my ability to fathom) there is nothing to stop the US from following suit. I accept "free market" i…

I think the overwhelming and undeniable success and prosperity of China is the biggest concern to the west, the neoliberals consistently predicted their immediate downfall that never came. Except we are all still led by the same neoliberals proven wrong about everything, the contradictions everywhere are driving us all into collective insanity. If we don't manage to purge our media and governments from these vile peo…

Thanks, not to disagree but it may be best to use plain language as I do not know what a neoliberal is to me never mind what it means to you.

I do know liberal is used as a derisive term by the people we (US) are being led by which leads me to cognitive dissonance parsing your statement.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by kanbara »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #364
coldtea wrote: post #288

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> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.

>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit.

China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism.

There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by Scroll_Swe »

kanbara wrote: post #385
Scroll_Swe wrote: post #364

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>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit. China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism. There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.

China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail...

They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet.

China does not have universal health care.

China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too?

Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by coldtea »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #364
coldtea wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.

>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

>Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :)

We could, but don't expect the results to be as clear cut as you think :)

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-...

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-eur...

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communi...

https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-...

https://english.radio.cz/poll-less-25-feel-better-now-under-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_nostalgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie

And of course 2026 China is the very opposite of some failing economy, like Eastern Bloc countries have been in 1989.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by jrowen »

Scroll_Swe wrote: post #364
coldtea wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.

>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? So did the western world. Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :) I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west. *Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

Did that comment indicate any condemnation of the west?

What I'm tired of is zero-sum jingoistic nationalism of any kind. Can we just be happy for all of the world to prosper?

edit: I didn't downvote you but it's probably the uncalled-for cynicism.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #382
spacewrangler wrote: post #360

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False. Tariffs are a standard foreign policy tool used as an economic negotiating tactic.

The US government is literally refunding the tariffs because they were illegal.

That doesn’t respond to this comment.

Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by Brendinooo »

t0mpr1c3 wrote: post #353
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #339

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This is the idea behind a tariff

The "idea" of Trump's tariffs (if there ever was one) is to subvert the US constitution which places taxation under the control of congress, not the president.

The person you replied to did not mention a specific leader's policy.
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