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NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Post by sidewndr46 »

weakfish wrote: post #113
Eridrus wrote: post #110

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The Mayor is not a dictator and can't just make up laws or regulations. He can probably get DCWP to engage in the normal rule making process, but at most this is probably going to get some AI disclosure somewhere, which is what we had for "virtually staged" lies.

It’s directing the city to treat it as false advertising in existing law if I understand correctly

I hope they don't figure out virtually all housing is photographed with those weird lenses and the colors are enhanced digitally

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Post by luckman212 »

Art9681 wrote: post #146

I am a big supporter of AI and use it heavily. I agree with this. It's not about AI at all. It's about a blanket ban to prevent deceit when selling a product or service. It should be depicted as it is. AI just lowers the barrier for deceit (unfortunately), but it's not the only tool that can be used towards that end. Ban all deceitful advertising.

Thanks, and you can go ahead and ban all the regular advertising too while you're at it.

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Post by Gigachad »

jdiff wrote: post #89
wmf wrote: post #64

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Every photo will be AI-enhanced and correctly labeled as such. Just like every Web site has a cookie warning.

This site doesn't. Many don't.

The sites that do have cookie banners tend to be the unbearable websites with 500 adverts, a full screen modal asking to sign up to the newsletter and redirecting you 30 times because you scrolled and touched the wrong element.

Re: NYC may require landlords and realtors to disclose the use of AI in listings

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Post by luckman212 »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #116
filoleg wrote: post #103

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Not going to lie, I wish they also added a square footage as a legal requirement too. It is entirely baffling to me as to why, but NYC is the only major city in the US I've ever lived in where it is genuinely a problem. In all other cities, I had no issues with that, pretty much every single posting online had square footage. Meanwhile, on StreetEasy (and other platforms listing NYC rental units), looking for apartme…

There is square footage on many NYC listings, but it’s wrong. They often have the square footage of the total area occupied by the apartment, including all the interior walls and columns that can take 20% of the area away.

Don't forget about those common areas too! I've seen many cases where hallways, elevators, and stairwells were included in the square footage numbers.

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Post by mh- »

dmix wrote: post #71
happytoexplain wrote: post #35

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Obviously not, though they may count as misleading image manipulation, and should be similarly regulated. The problem is subjectivity - AI is just a convenient bright line with an easy definition.

You want the government to monitor people's profiles on dating apps? The ministry of dating photos

Oi, you got a loicense for that f-stop slop?

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Post by Gigachad »

kennywinker wrote: post #73
AlienRobot wrote: post #39

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Come on, there is no such thing as "trace amounts of AI" in a photo of a building.

You’ve clearly not used photoshop recently, hey? Generative features are all over Photoshop and other image editors. Removing a coffee cup off a table is a pretty small use of AI that nobody would really object to

Ethical edits would be stuff you couldn't notice in the inspection. The coffee cup is fine because in the inspection that won't be there and isn't a part of the property anyway. If you use AI to remove the rust and calcium on the taps that is something you can inspect and prove was modified in a misleading way.

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Post by tmpz22 »

JackFr wrote: post #99

What’s the point though? To save prospective renters time? I’ve lived here for 30+ years, rented for more than 20 and why would anyone ever rent an apartment without seeing it in person? That being said, IANAL but I imagine the rule is fully legal. The city already mandates a host of things: if the listing markets something as a 3BR, it needs to have 3 rooms bigger than 80 sq feet, each with an exterior window. If th…

Students, out of state, and other groups may sign a lease sight unseen. Yeah its dumb but it does happen. Yes there is -some- reasonable assumption of risk, but not to the extent to allow blatant deceptive advertising.

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Post by kennywinker »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #151
weakfish wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s directing the city to treat it as false advertising in existing law if I understand correctly

I hope they don't figure out virtually all housing is photographed with those weird lenses and the colors are enhanced digitally

What do you call a reverse slippery-slope argument? “All images are edited, therefore ai editing is ok.”

Degrees of alteration matter, pretending ai images are the same as color retouching is dumb.

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Post by Eridrus »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #142
Eridrus wrote: post #110

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The Mayor is not a dictator and can't just make up laws or regulations. He can probably get DCWP to engage in the normal rule making process, but at most this is probably going to get some AI disclosure somewhere, which is what we had for "virtually staged" lies.

Yes I'm sure he's talking about disclosure. California has this law state-wide.

I agree, we're going to get a little warning label, just like the "virtually staged" labels that are already there and nothing of consequence will actually change. That is why I say this is a nothing burger.

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Post by evil-olive »

Eridrus wrote: post #117
weakfish wrote: post #113

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It’s directing the city to treat it as false advertising in existing law if I understand correctly

Right, which is why all we're going to get it a label saying that AI was used (or maybe landlords will try to fly through on the label of "virtually staged" that they've been using). Existing law doesn't have the authority to ban all AI images as inherently deceptive, and DCWP isn't going to be spending a bunch of time prosecuting individual images. I agree with Mamdani that these images are often deceptive and misle…

> The energy would be better spent on zoning and building code reform.

you've constructed a false dichotomy here.

the government of a city with ~8 million people is capable of doing multiple things at the same time.

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