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Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Re: Is this the end of the once-mighty GoPro?

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Post by Robotbeat »

coldtea wrote: post #288
mlsu wrote: post #174

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Absolutely true. But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people, just in a different way. Domestic consumption in China is famously low, work culture is famously bad (996,etc). And this is because of what their government, not the people of China, have chosen to do.

> But China’s industrial dominance is also the government immiserating its people Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? > Domestic consumption in China is famously low Compared to what, the US? Compared to China is at a historical high, isn't it? And they're doing quite well even compared to like 70% of the world and rising.

Not as much as their East Asian neighbors, who had increasing democracy and fewer deaths to starvation…

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Post by Robotbeat »

rangestransform wrote: post #356
faitswulff wrote: post #304

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> Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? Yes, but China-bad ideology demands that we ask ”at what cost?”

There was a real human cost to how China industrialized that isn’t “muh freedoms”. China overproduced STEM grads so that their industries could hire them for pennies on the dollar. They had to withstand insane competition starting in elementary school, only to end up unemployed or doordashing. This isn’t a PRC specific thing either, TSMC is infamous for having PhDs doing night shift lab tech work for pennies (compara…

In general, I do think the East Asian nations have over-prioritized work for export and industrial policy at the expense of the well-being of their citizens.

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Post by ValentineC »

matsemann wrote: post #249
ValentineC wrote: post #7

When I was looking to buy an action camera last year, I was deciding between Insta360 and DJI, with many YouTubers suggesting outright against GoPro since they haven't kept up with image quality. Action cameras sound like a tough business, since most of them are built to last ages, and they need to keep the vast majority of content creators happy trying to increase image quality in a small form factor. Anyway, I boug…

> many YouTubers suggesting outright against GoPro since they haven't kept up with image quality. Fyi: This is a lie, the youtubers are paid to tell you this.

Yeah, but I also looked at many different videos to evaluate quality myself, and GoPro wasn't great.

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Post by sarchertech »

dismalaf wrote: post #270
sarchertech wrote: post #197

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Unless Canadian prices are much much higher than US, the only Prusa that costs that much is a Core One L or a Prusa XL. Neither one of those are equivalent to a P1S. They’re 2 tiers above it. Equivalent Bambu printers sell for about the same price. I have printers from both companies. There are tradeoffs for each, but Prusa isn’t 4x more for an equivalent printer.

Core One+ is $1899 CAD, the MMU3 for the Core One+ is $579 CAD and shipping was quoted over $300 since they ship from Europe and not the US to Canada. Just put these into their shopping cart on their site, right now quoting $2887 (including shipping and duties). I did get a particularly good deal on the P1S combo apparently, the price on their website already higher than what I paid and it's significantly less in Can…

They’re not remotely equivalent though. That’s like saying that a raspberry pi and 16” monitor are equivalent to a MacBook Pro because that’s the cheapest 16” monitor Apple sells.

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Post by GenerWork »

baby wrote: post #218
embedding-shape wrote: post #34

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Is it common in American factories to have US flags hanging on the walls similar to how dictators like to hang their portraits in factories? Never seen that in the (admitted small amount) of factories I've visited around in Europe, but tends to also give off a bit of "too much nationalism" vibe around here unless there is a special event, the US flag seems to be treated differently in the US so maybe it's a common si…

The US is weird about its flag, I think because nationalism wasn't seen as a bad thing up until recently. These days it's much weirder to see an American flag, and usually you know it has something to do with MAGAs. The weird thing to me is how you see one massive one in the luggage retrieval area when you arrive in JFK (in New York). Always makes me sigh

>These days it's much weirder to see an American flag, and usually you know it has something to do with MAGAs. The weird thing to me is how you see one massive one in the luggage retrieval area when you arrive in JFK (in New York). Always makes me sigh

This has to be a troll post. Associating the US flag with MAGA? Sighing because a major international airport has a large flag hanging over the baggage area? Come on.

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Post by linsomniac »

tclarke142 wrote: post #326

I had a GoPro Hero 7 and 8. In the -10c snow they battery wouldn't even last for 5 minutes. It's a bad product and just like with cars and solar the Chinese are ruthlessly out-engineering the west.

TheOutdoorBoys youtube channel mentioned something about special batteries for cold temps. -10c for many of his hiking and camping trips isn't unusual, and (as I understand it) he did weekly videos with Go Pros for a decade. He probably knows a thing or two.

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Post by toss1 »

bambax wrote: post #224
computerex wrote: post #116

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People know it’s happening. What do you expect an average consumer to do about it? Pay more out of pocket due to the potential national security risks?

You can't pay more to get a better drone than DJI's. You can pay more (although it's difficult) to get a worse drone. Much worse.

Right, because in an actual free market where DHI was not heavily subsidized, DJI drones would cost MUCH more, and the other drones would be competitive.

Same for BYD vs Tesla and every other car. It is easy to win in the "free market" when you give away your product.

Same for Uber and Lyft for many years — subsidized by VCs until they gained massive scale, effectively killed all the other competition, and now the prices have gone up when they have a lock on the market, a large moat, and the VCs want a return. In my area, what was a $30 ride to the airport a few years ago, far cheaper than any airport service, is now $89.

The entire concept of a "free market" is idealized to the point of fiction.

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Post by nl »

rangestransform wrote: post #356
faitswulff wrote: post #304

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> Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years? Yes, but China-bad ideology demands that we ask ”at what cost?”

There was a real human cost to how China industrialized that isn’t “muh freedoms”. China overproduced STEM grads so that their industries could hire them for pennies on the dollar. They had to withstand insane competition starting in elementary school, only to end up unemployed or doordashing. This isn’t a PRC specific thing either, TSMC is infamous for having PhDs doing night shift lab tech work for pennies (compara…

> having PhDs doing night shift lab tech work for pennies

I don't know why people keep bringing this up as though it is surprising.

In almost any field other than AI PhDs are underpaid on average.

There are many, many bio PhDs working as lab technicians.

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Post by dismalaf »

sarchertech wrote: post #404
dismalaf wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Core One+ is $1899 CAD, the MMU3 for the Core One+ is $579 CAD and shipping was quoted over $300 since they ship from Europe and not the US to Canada. Just put these into their shopping cart on their site, right now quoting $2887 (including shipping and duties). I did get a particularly good deal on the P1S combo apparently, the price on their website already higher than what I paid and it's significantly less in Can…

They’re not remotely equivalent though. That’s like saying that a raspberry pi and 16” monitor are equivalent to a MacBook Pro because that’s the cheapest 16” monitor Apple sells.

Okay so explain the difference to a normal consumer because I'm printing toys for my kid...

Both are enclosed and both do 4 colors in a variety of materials. Both are the cheapest version of that that each company offers.

IMO it's more like comparing a Honda to a Mercedes. I'm sure the Mercedes is better but a Honda gets you places all the same.

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Post by Gigachad »

computerex wrote: post #116
Robotbeat wrote: post #89

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GoPro is a US company designed in U.S. with manufacturing in Thailand, China, and Mexico. Insta360 is a Chinese company designed in Shenzhen and built there, too. People think this doesn’t matter, but GoPros are used all over in aerospace. If we replaced the brand with Insta360, that puts a big attack vector all over the place. A similar pattern happened with drones with DJI, intentionally killing all non-Chinese dro…

People know it’s happening. What do you expect an average consumer to do about it? Pay more out of pocket due to the potential national security risks?

I would pay more to have a product the US doesn’t have its hands in.
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