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GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Curious to hear: how much effort did it take to migrate to GrapheneOS? I own a pixel, grabbed it in anticipation of unlocking, but the effort it seems it would take from reading GrapheneOS docs has stopped me from committing to it on my daily driver. Would you please provide a quick time estimate and any snags you hit?

It took me about an hour. I sat down, read the docs, installed it via the web installer, then spent the next 45 min deciding how I wanted to segment separate profiles for play services. Nowadays it seems a lot easier because there seems to be a separate profile isolater you can run in the main profile, which I would choose if I was installing today. The only hiccup I've had is that sometimes group messages don't send…

Thanks for the info! Might take the dive.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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post #178

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Curious to hear: how much effort did it take to migrate to GrapheneOS? I own a pixel, grabbed it in anticipation of unlocking, but the effort it seems it would take from reading GrapheneOS docs has stopped me from committing to it on my daily driver. Would you please provide a quick time estimate and any snags you hit?

It takes around 10 minutes to install it. Most of the time people spend on it is deciding how they want to set things up. It's very easy to set it up in a similar way that you would use the stock OS. You can use a single profile with sandboxed Google Play installed. Many people want to segment things more than that by having a dedicated profile for apps depending on sandboxed Google Play. A work profile, Private Spac…

Wow, straight from the source! Heartfelt thanks for maintaining this project; it becomes more pertinent by the day as we slide ever deeper into living into this dystopian surveillance state.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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post #178

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Curious to hear: how much effort did it take to migrate to GrapheneOS? I own a pixel, grabbed it in anticipation of unlocking, but the effort it seems it would take from reading GrapheneOS docs has stopped me from committing to it on my daily driver. Would you please provide a quick time estimate and any snags you hit?

Time estimate depends heavily on the apps you use (data migration in them) and maybe some features that don't easily work out-of-the-box in GOS like Google's find my device, where you'd ideally migrate to use foss alternatives like FMD[1]. For the easiest setup by far just install the sandboxed Google Play Store and get your apps from there. In general the more additional security features you enable, the more issues…

Thanks for the references, especially FMD tip; have the Google version disabled due to lack of trust.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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Reasonably happy with GrapheneOS, but the number of bugs (maybe more ecosystem bugs) would make me hesitant to suggest other people rely on it as a communication device. I have notifications turned ON for WhatsApp, Signal and Telegram. I never receive notifications from Telegram. I have to open that app to see if anyone said anything. WhatsApp and Signal notifications seem to vary between late or never? This is despi…

This is not an issue with GrapheneOS, this is an issue with your configuration, which is trivial to solve. All of those apps support using google services FCM for push notification delivery. I dont think Telegram has a fallback, and Signal and Whatsapp have power-intensive fallbacks. You may also need to reinstall these apps for them to detect google services (apps generally dont check for google services more than o…

No, whatsapp fallback to websockets is very power efficient unlike official signal app one, all you need is to set battery optimization to unrestricted for it.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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This is not an issue with GrapheneOS, this is an issue with your configuration, which is trivial to solve. All of those apps support using google services FCM for push notification delivery. I dont think Telegram has a fallback, and Signal and Whatsapp have power-intensive fallbacks. You may also need to reinstall these apps for them to detect google services (apps generally dont check for google services more than o…

No, whatsapp fallback to websockets is very power efficient unlike official signal app one, all you need is to set battery optimization to unrestricted for it.

I doubt that however an app solves this problem without FCM or Unified Push can be called power efficient.

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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This is not an issue with GrapheneOS, this is an issue with your configuration, which is trivial to solve. All of those apps support using google services FCM for push notification delivery. I dont think Telegram has a fallback, and Signal and Whatsapp have power-intensive fallbacks. You may also need to reinstall these apps for them to detect google services (apps generally dont check for google services more than o…

That's not how I understand the meaning of "trivial".

You just have to reinstall you apps using Google Play Store and install Google Play Services

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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I think you've misunderstood. It's not an app problem. The problem is that it makes Free Software OSes unviable. The copy of Android you compile and install yourself - or your copy of desktop Linux where you upgraded the kernel yourself - will never pass remote attestation, and it gives both the attestation provider and software that checks attestation the ability to unilaterally shut out any OS they like with no wor…

You can apply my same comment 1 layer up. The hypervisor maintains isolation between operating systems, so a free operating system being installed doesn't mean an app that needs a high security operating system is compromised.

That still requires you to have an OS installed that can not be trusted.

And who maintains and "runs" that hypervisor?

Re: GrapheneOS recommended for domestic abuse victims

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>I work at Google, and yes. We use a monorepo for absolutely everything you can think of. But good luck getting that code off a corp device without being caught https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46440276 Hmm, I hope you don't work on AOSP!

I do, actually, why?

Because you're promoting pro surveillance state rhetoric that I'd rather not have influencing the mobile operating system I use.
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