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"Altman doesn’t appear to be a beacon of corporate ethics." Do those exist? I'm usually happy to see a mild candle flicker in the ethics window.
I would say Patagonia would be considered such a flicker.
Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
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Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
#352Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…
At which point do we stop blaming individual employees for corporate governance failures. Has Meta not taught us anything.
Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
#353Everybody wants a platform but nobody wants to spend what it takes to make a platform. That includes things like Windows Phone, Fire Phone, all the glasses, Humane, etc. As much as everybody hates on OpenAI for chaotic management, they did buy Jony Ive and are presumably giving him everything he wants to build a platform for them. Even though it probably only buys them a 20% chance of success, they haven't doomed the…
While I agree that OpenAI is run by thieves, you can't tell me that Apple wouldn't have tried the same shit on a more scrupulous attempt at building a platform competitor? Like, this is the same Apple that tried to tell a judge "a touch is a zero-length swipe" when suing the shit out of Android vendors, right? In their eyes, all the competition was supposed to stick with styluses and Windows Mobile 6.x.
One got caught, one got away, but Sam when came the judgement day, did break the law and sent the blokes, to jail cells four, with fruity locks.
Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And they blew it This could be a blessing in disguise for OpenAI. This mess was conducted under Altman’s watch—it could be an opportunity to Kalanick him. The Board could elevate Altman to Chairman emeritus or something, choose a new CEO and settle with Apple. That will probably involve shutting down the hardware project and clawing back comp from its employees who helped make this mess.
Maybe, but remember what happened last time The Board tried to demote sama?
> remember what happened last time The Board tried to demote sama?
That was a board. Not the Board. The Board represents shareholders. The board that tried to fire him was some B-corp wannabe bullshit.
Re: Apple targets dozens of OpenAI employees with legal letters
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> This is two of the largest, most powerful, most well-capitalized companies on the planet in a legal fight. OpenAI being well-capitalized made me laugh out loud, thanks for the humor :) Apple has a ridiculous amount of cash, AA credit, and makes $100B of net income per year. OpenAI has none of those attributes, what they do have is investors willing to bankroll them, for now.
OpenAI just closed the largest funding round in SV history, $122 billion. The idea that you’d find it laugh out loud funny to call them well-capitalized just reveals your bias. OpenAI has plenty of cash to fight this. Apple having hundreds of billions doesn’t actually mean anything in a legal fight that might cost OpenAI nine figures in legal fees, maybe? If it goes for years? A historic judgment against OpenAI (zero…
> OpenAI just closed the largest funding round in SV history, $122 billion
Chips don’t pay legal bills.
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> If they refuse to coöperate with Apple, they’ll get personally sued as well. This isn't law and order and that's not how civil litigation works.
They can easily be found to have violated the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, like this is a slam dunk. Highly possible too seeing the massive public hatred against companies like OpenAI. DAs like easy political wins too and what better win than sticking it to OpenAI and its lackeys? Might have to make some phone calls to my local representatives now...
> Might have to make some phone calls to my local representatives now
If you’re in New York, California or Texas I’ll help you :).
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It is not overly dramatic to suggest getting a letter like this is INCREDIBLY scary.
It's not scary. I received one of these letters for the DOJ vs Microsoft trial while working at Netscape and it was less scary opening it than the email from my cube mate titled "you won't believe it." The lawyers told us ahead of time we'd be getting the letters. They told us what we needed to preserve and what we could comfortably trash. There was never any follow-up or specific requests for what I had on my machin…
Maybe I’m just too anxious an individual. But also, I imagine the lawyers prepping helped.
Interesting to hear your perspective on this as someone who went through it!
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Sounds like a societal and parenting problem that Apple has nothing to do with.
My first reaction was that it was ridiculous, or at least hysterically framed. But the claim is that the whole point of the bubble colour thing, from Apple's perspective, is to take advantage of status games among (largely) kids. If that's true, then it's probably fair to hold Apple partially responsible for the predictable negative consequences. I'd be surprised if something so silly was actually decisive in the wor…
Sure, so now because kids are dicks, I shouldn't be able to tell what's a iMessage and what is an SMS?
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#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI just closed the largest funding round in SV history, $122 billion. The idea that you’d find it laugh out loud funny to call them well-capitalized just reveals your bias. OpenAI has plenty of cash to fight this. Apple having hundreds of billions doesn’t actually mean anything in a legal fight that might cost OpenAI nine figures in legal fees, maybe? If it goes for years? A historic judgment against OpenAI (zero…
> OpenAI just closed the largest funding round in SV history, $122 billion Chips don’t pay legal bills.
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