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Post by jchook »

program_whiz wrote: post #884
binary132 wrote: post #879

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I don’t think the timing of Trump’s recent sabre-rattling at China is any coincidence

Yep, time to pay back those campaign contributions in the form of "chinese models embargo". USG has already shown more than willing to dabble in picking what AI companies can do what. Actually its interesting, I wonder if the recent freezes on Fable/Mythos and GPT 5.6 where actually prepping so that a "chinese model not allowed" play would be more pallatable / excusable. But then again, that's attributing 4d chess to…

Have a strong feeling that Anthropic solicited the ban from Lutnick as part of their, “so powerful it’s a national security threat” marketing campaign.

Pretty evident as they kicked it off with self-imposed limits (“0days on every OS”) etc, OpenAI didn’t get the same treatment, and the ban was conveniently lifted as soon as they needed to compete.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by roenxi »

mrngld wrote: post #856
oefrha wrote: post #783

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Apparently open source models is an officially stated national strategy now, which is somewhat reassuring that we'll probably keep getting these for a while. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/chinas-xi-promote...

Until it's no longer officially stated strategy, and something else benefits the CCP. See rare earths policy. Changes constantly, to whatever maximizes their leverage. The aspect that you can count on is that China sees AI as a long term strategic necessity, so they will support domestic players for an extremely long time. But unless you're a Chinese lab that shouldn't necessarily be a comfort to anyone else.

That's how nearly everything works. If people don't think action is in their best interest they don't act. And you can substitute any country for China - although if anythign the Chinese have been unusually competent compared to everyone else. the US has been adopting a foreign policy with a deliberateness of action that could be likened to someone having a seizure.

I expect the Chinese will do something wildly stupid at some point, but they've been behaving quite responsibly so far.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by vonneumannstan »

rowanG077 wrote: post #418
vonneumannstan wrote: post #334

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Distillation is not an attack. It simply a way to train a model. Not doing it when you are behind is akin to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

How Xi coded. If you just cheat off the top student in your class that's simply a way to get a good GPA.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by utilize1808 »

adam_arthur wrote: post #910
rektomatic wrote: post #906

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Maybe the whole windows/linux thing is an apt comparison? Linux is OS and arguably runs the internet yet windows is still a cash cow. The paid-for models are like windows, the OS models are like linux?

Completely different levels of stickiness. The OS runs everything; the LLM can be swapped in a second. (But yes, you will have to tweak prompts+tuning anytime you change models)

Corporates aren't running Linux not because it's hard to switch. Corporates are sticking to MS because of compliance and admin costs.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by applicative »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #489
softwaredoug wrote: post #478

So Chinese labs are driving essentially towards commodotized intelligence. Even if its a few months behind the US. Is this a classic 'commoditize my compliment' situation? They want to sell the hardware and infrastructure behind AI and make the software part not the value driver / moat? I can see it. But also even two Chinese labs sinking 100s of millions USD into training isn't exactly commoditization. It's still a…

it also undercuts American dominance, which is something China is always happy to invest in, even if it doesn't immediately mean Chinese dominance

First things first: the CCP must dominate China itself. For this job one is the global discrediting of democracy in favor of cults of personality. This is the single objective of the Putin-Xi-Khamenei information system. China global hegemony would merely be an instrument of CCP internal control. Similarly Khamenei supported Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthi, Iraq militias ... to control his own population.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by adam_arthur »

utilize1808 wrote: post #914
adam_arthur wrote: post #910

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Completely different levels of stickiness. The OS runs everything; the LLM can be swapped in a second. (But yes, you will have to tweak prompts+tuning anytime you change models)

Corporates aren't running Linux not because it's hard to switch. Corporates are sticking to MS because of compliance and admin costs.

Then it's hard to switch?

It's irrelevant the reason why, the margin any business can take will be constrained by the cost to switch to a cheaper, good enough, competitor.

You are saying it's difficult to switch due to compliance and admin issues. Ok!

LLMs can be swapped easily and open weight models can be hosted to adhere to whatever legal, uptime requirements etc are needed trivially.

The big cloud providers already host and resell open weight models.

The two don't event compare

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Post by jkman »

rektomatic wrote: post #906
Havoc wrote: post #875

US labs must be sweating bullets. Not on tech side, but on finance. They have a pile of debt and VC expectations that count on vast future profitability

Maybe the whole windows/linux thing is an apt comparison? Linux is OS and arguably runs the internet yet windows is still a cash cow. The paid-for models are like windows, the OS models are like linux?

But surely that's completely different, no? It seems that there are major differences between OSes and LLMs that preclude this comparison, in that an LLM is truly 'just' a tool. You can slot in another to replace it, IDEs and harnesses can handle basically any provider out the box, etc. An OS is not just a tool, its success depends on things like power management/general hardware interaction (requires collaboration with consumer computer manufacturers), what applications are available for it (dependent on third party devs), etc. It does seem that all the LLMs are substitute goods in a way that OSes are not at all.

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Post by hackmack10 »

sebmellen wrote: post #276

My testing prompt for these models is by no means objective or repeatable (like the pelican) but it's a nice test of curiosity: > Impress me with a 1 page html file Result: https://ydaurtg3fdwhq.kimi.page/ Came out looking pretty cool! By contrast, Fable produced a moderately more interesting "live observatory" of the solar system.

That page is going to give me a seizure.

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Post by kibae »

adam_arthur wrote: post #910
rektomatic wrote: post #906

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the whole windows/linux thing is an apt comparison? Linux is OS and arguably runs the internet yet windows is still a cash cow. The paid-for models are like windows, the OS models are like linux?

Completely different levels of stickiness. The OS runs everything; the LLM can be swapped in a second. (But yes, you will have to tweak prompts+tuning anytime you change models)

Using OS as an abbreviation for open-source and operating system in the same thread is hurting my brain.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by veber-alex »

anigbrowl wrote: post #702

This might be the most impressive website generator demo I've seen: https://macos27.kimi.page Context from the person who prompted it: https://x.com/mweinbach/status/2077827886149439547

Wow.

It's pretty buggy but has way more features than expected.

Definitely the best desktop website I have ever seen.

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