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The human-in-the-loop is tired
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Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it is AI, but I bet it has been through editing/review to match a corporate style. LLMs were trained on this.
The writing style, if not AI, is at least a bit tryhard. Turning to the substance of the article: why do people feel the need to run this fast? I have certainly experimented with letting coding agents run amok. The first few times you try it, it feels like a superpower. Then you start examining the icky choices they made in a codebase that is now a dense forest. Then you have to expend a bunch of effort beating it ba…
I am with you but I inevitably think it's a skill issue. Some devs put a lot of work into the harness. I tried doing this, felt like running in place to me. the lack of RFC-tier standardization and ever-shifting api is demotivating as well since you might have written a harness that will be obsolete with next model gen/version bump
There probably is a correct way to do this, but your average "vibe coder", or even a competent solo dev just yoloing a project, are not implementing such harnesses. In the former case, they may not be able to; in the latter, you're probably better off in 1:1 human to agent workflow due to indeterminate/bad outputs and the amount of back-and-forth in prompts/specs/reviews required to get high-quality work
Then again, I saw Matz harness for his compiled ruby project was just like perms.allow find and grep. No skills, no agents.md or anything like that. Would love to see those prompts! I'm sure the fact that it was Matz had a lot to do with that working, though
Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#163> That loss is real and it's worth naming. Annnnnd TFA is written by AI. I want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride.
HN should ban any domain that's submitted with AI content. HN already shadowbans AI comments.
Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#164> The honest truth > That loss is real and it's worth naming I think I will not heed the first sentence and bear with this. What motivates people to do this? What do they get out of prompting Claude for some vapid "thought piece" and spamming it on the internet?
What does any spammer get from their spam?
Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wrote some software nearly 20 years ago, haven't touched it for over a decade. The code was terrible, but I don't care, it did the job, and people still use it despite a whole team of people who have tried to replace it with "elegant" code in frameworks which have come and gone. The reason people still use it is that it solves their needs, not the programmer's needs. The goal was to make the user's life better, not…
All you're saying is that for you only the destination ever mattered. But it's very apparent that is not true for a lot of people. And "solving needs" is kinda vague. We drank from lead cups for a long time, because perfect knowledge of material and biology was secondary to just having a cup. And no single sip from any lead cup killed or maybe even much harmed any person, but it all added and adds up. Of course the c…
And it is true for a lot of people. It's also true for the people paying my salary.
If you're making a plane, crashing 1 in 1000 times is terrible, if you're making some administrative thing which if it crashes costs 5 minutes work then it's likely fine
But you're still implying that the fancy software crafted by hand is better.
I have handmade crafted products and I have assembly line products. Not only are the latter cheaper and more consistent, they're often better. I don't want my beer to come in a handcrafted artisan glass while I'm watching the football, I want it in a pint glass of a known size and quality.
Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#166> That loss is real and it's worth naming.
Thanks Claude.
Turns out the human reading this is tired, too
Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Better to find joy in other parts of the process! I recommend the joy of helping the customer get what they truly want. Spend more time on client calls and intercept additional hot potatoes now that we have extra free time to work with. The technology is a blank canvas. These LLMs are like 600DPI color laser printers. The customer cannot tell the difference between hand painted and LLM generated at even a short dis…
That's such a naive take, the joy of helping the customer ha! That's a situation your employer sets up for you! Try reading your sentence above and swapping in 'EMPLOYEE': 'These LLMs are like EMPLOYEES. The customer cannot tell the difference between EMPLOYEE painted and LLM generated at even a short distance. '
The customer can absolutely tell the difference between a Caterpillar digger and a dude in it vs 100 dudes with shovels
Re: The human-in-the-loop is tired
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Better to find joy in other parts of the process! I recommend the joy of helping the customer get what they truly want. Spend more time on client calls and intercept additional hot potatoes now that we have extra free time to work with. The technology is a blank canvas. These LLMs are like 600DPI color laser printers. The customer cannot tell the difference between hand painted and LLM generated at even a short dis…
That's such a naive take, the joy of helping the customer ha! That's a situation your employer sets up for you! Try reading your sentence above and swapping in 'EMPLOYEE': 'These LLMs are like EMPLOYEES. The customer cannot tell the difference between EMPLOYEE painted and LLM generated at even a short distance. '
> That's a situation your employer sets up for you!
Who says you need a boss or other human coworkers?
Start your own consultancy and take 100% of the pie. The term "employee" evaporates in this context, as does an entire universe of lazy, negative tropes about work ethic, etc.
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#169> The honest truth > That loss is real and it's worth naming I think I will not heed the first sentence and bear with this. What motivates people to do this? What do they get out of prompting Claude for some vapid "thought piece" and spamming it on the internet?
What does any spammer get from their spam?
Well, usually advertising themselves. Spambots used to be really straightforward. "Come buy our penis enlargement pills at x.com!".
I guess this is also meant to be an advertisement but it's really roundabout. And while this case is maybe an ad, a lot of these LLM spam articles are on empty blogs not associated with a product.
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#170This is an advert for a product, no idea why this on the front page, did anyone actually read it beyond the title
I tried, but gave up very quickly. AI slop with little to say was my impression