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$100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by rileymat2 »

anon7000 wrote: post #183

Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

GPTs were inherently trained on human text. It would not surprise me if mixing all this together by AI touches the people of today with the feelings of today more than a biased singular person.

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Post by esikich »

slopinthebag wrote: post #185
esikich wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely agree and this is a very unpopular opinion outside of people who actually are artists.

I think because pretty much all AI generated art is slop. When artists use AI with care and intention in their works, people don’t even realize it’s AI and they don’t care. And that’s fine.

It's a new medium and I think that is really exciting to watch it develop.

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Post by beambot »

anon7000 wrote: post #183

Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

> What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool.

I fall on the other side of that coin: I care about the final output way more than the story & struggle of the artist.

Also: Nature is probably the most epic artist in my book - a sunset, leaf, coral or rock can outshine virtually any human creation.

Re: $100 AI Music Video: Claude Fable 5 vs. GPT-5.6 Sol

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

aardvarkr wrote: post #203
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #129

This is how you do AI music videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njk2YAgNMnE Lean into the not-quite-but-almost uncanny-valley-ness. Make it a feature, not a bug.

Released October 2022? That’s a very human piece of art even if the images may have been generated by an algorithm

I think that's also why it's good, and an example of the need for relatively heavy human fingerprints applied to AI to do 'art' (which feels like I'm just repeating what @anon7000 says in top comment).

Three and a half years at the rate of AI progress has gotten to the point of reality-level picture quality, but there's a lot AI gets wrong without nudges here and there. That may be slightly unfair, however, given that this film clip took a couple of months and the ones in TFA cost $100 max and took less than an hour.

Now it feels obvious that I'm comparing apples and oranges. I mean, nice to know that we all seem to like 'proper art' better than an hour worth of an AI generated version of 'one art please'.

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Post by slopinthebag »

esikich wrote: post #212
slopinthebag wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think because pretty much all AI generated art is slop. When artists use AI with care and intention in their works, people don’t even realize it’s AI and they don’t care. And that’s fine.

It's a new medium and I think that is really exciting to watch it develop.

To each their own I suppose.

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Post by CapsAdmin »

interroboink wrote: post #191
anon7000 wrote: post #183

Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

> Meaningful art is not mass-produced, generated content. Andy Warhol might disagree [1] (: (I realize that's not exactly apples-to-apples, but y'know.) Or there's "art is anything you can get away with," which I just mention to point out that this kind of issue ("what is art?") is not new. In some ways it seems like a good thing to get people, like you, riled up about these topics, arguing the merits of their point…

In these discussions, the concept of perceiving content gets intertwined with how content was made, because artists and creatives are usually more interested in how something was made.

So unless these two concepts are separated, people will endlessly talk past each other assuming both sides hold the same fundamental beliefs.

Claiming you made something by yourself, when in reality someone else made it (AI) is easy to frown upon.

I think if you can have a positive experience from looking at a sunset, hearing birds sing, etc, it should technically be possible to have a positive experience from the outputs of an AI without human input. This assumes art is clearly defined as needing to be made by a human with some effort, which neither a sunset or AI outputs are.

In practice, people who use AI to make content give it some direction. The amount of guidance varies wildly, and in practice the majority of what we see is minimal involvement.

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Post by blightful »

The future is pretty obvious. People spending thousands of hours honing the skills of being able to create visual art will dwindle. The same will be true for many creative endeavors. Artists will still exist and some will be able to make a living from it but it will rare. Slop will prevail. Most people will lose the ability or care to try and tell the difference. The attention wars have a lot of time to go. The addicted are kids and teens and young adults at this point and I see little to make me think they break out of it any time soon.

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Post by conductr »

beambot wrote: post #213
anon7000 wrote: post #183

Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

> What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. I fall on the other side of that coin: I care about the final output way more than the story & struggle of the artist. Also: Nature is probably the most epic artist in my book - a sunset, leaf, coral or rock can outshine virtually any human creation.

I'm in the middle. Sometimes the artist story is so compelling it almost makes the body of work make sense on a new dimension. However, having said that, I also am highly skeptical of authenticity and almost always believe the art is created and the story gets written after the fact as some artistic song and dance because no story/why/reason is never an option.

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Post by esikich »

anon7000 wrote: post #183

Tangent: philosophically to me, art is inherently human. What makes art meaningful and impactful isn’t whether it looks good or cool. It’s the story of the artist, the context of the art itself, the hard work and struggle involved, the meaning represented by a human creating something very specific to their own personal context and taste. Or a mix of any of that. Can AI be used as a tool to help create art? Absolutel…

This is a demo. It's like taking the first shitty picture or making the first shit sounding "analog electronic instrument" played by the guy who doesn't know how to play music but is an electronic savant. It's the concept that matters, not this specific execution of it.
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