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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by blackqueeriroh »

buran77 wrote: post #137
blackqueeriroh wrote: post #108

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You’ve got to be kidding me. Last I checked, Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google haven’t systematically exterminated an entire culture of people.

You're really walking empty handed and with your pants around our ankles in this one. Do you really think the US and US big tech in general have a leg to stand on in this regard?

As someone who very likely has far more personal experience with the particular atrocities committed by the United States in all its forms, yeah, I do.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by mlindner »

roryirvine wrote: post #507
mlindner wrote: post #425

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You can't "generate" CSAM. CSAM definitionally had to be about abuse of real children. It's still bad and should be illegal but lumping them together is bad.

You do realise that saying "SpaceX are producing and distributing child porn, not CSAM" doesn't actually make things better for them, don't you?

Personally I think AI should be treated like photoshop. If someone is creating life-like imagery of child sexual abuse that you can't determine if its real or not, then that would be the criminal action of the person producing it. Software companies should not be acting like overlords on how their software can be used.

People get upset when states try to legislate that 3D printer manufacturers should detect and prevent people trying to make gun parts, but somehow this is different.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by mlindner »

antonvs wrote: post #640
mlindner wrote: post #420

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How do you know? Presumably you must be able to point to some government transparency documentation about that activity? Oh wait, nothing like that exists. You don't know what happened. And that's the problem. Neither Musk nor Trump are the CEO of the US. Their behavior should not be considered acceptable by any US citizen.

> How do you know?

Please don't sealion. There's no evidence for it occurring in the first place.

It's entirely an internet meme based on extremist headlines. What happened is they set up servers inside government offices that allowed more flexible agile software development environment, then they suddenly got accused of exfiltrating data.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by threethirtytwo »

qup wrote: post #655
threethirtytwo wrote: post #465

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No he doesn't. There's a lot of bullshit surrounding him. Things are taken out of context. I will say this, he believes in things about race that are controversial. For example that races may have different IQs. But you have to realize we don't actually know if races have different IQs. The idea fits common sense though... if races can LOOK different... what black magic suddenly makes them completely equal in intelli…

Why would you think the same genes control intelligence and skin color? The genes that control skin color don't control fast twitch muscle, but we know sub Saharan Africans have more fast twitch than the rest of the world. What magic skin color gene affects fast twitch muscle? None. It turns out, a population can select for more than one gene at a time. Crazy. What we don't know is what genes individuals carry. That'…

>Why would you think the same genes control intelligence and skin color?

I mean the same genes on the entire DNA strand. Wholistically all of those genes define who you are.

>It turns out, a population can select for more than one gene at a time. Crazy.

Uh yeah? So.

>What we don't know is what genes individuals carry. That's why racism is stupid. Elon would agree.

What do you mean individuals? We CAN measure genes of an individual FYI. And if we can measure genes of an individual we can also measure them for groups and come up with generalized figures and correlations.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by aikinai »

antonvs wrote: post #643
Gareth321 wrote: post #591

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Musk had around $180M when he founded SpaceX in 2002, and purchased Tesla in 2004. ChatGPT tells me that more than 55,000 people in the world have more wealth than this. So either people who have money choose not to make such risky investments, or they're incapable of it. Probably both. We're very lucky that someone who is both capable of building companies like this and is willing to go bankrupt doing it exists.

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Without a shift to electric cars and the emergence of reusable, affordable space travel?

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Post by hcurtiss »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #618
hcurtiss wrote: post #610

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True. But you are voted down because not everyone can face the truth. So just lie a little and say "we don't know" even though the truth is we know enough to know that some races are on average more intelligent then others. People have biases around this stuff and most people can't think critically so if you want them to be receptive you have to lie a bit.

You are, of course, right. Unfortunately, I’m not very good at that.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by nwienert »

modeless wrote: post #534
nwienert wrote: post #521

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A friend of mine just got one, ex-Chrome core dev so a fairly sharp guy, his one month review was that it was incredibly capable but had already done two maneuvers that would've led to an accident without intervention.

Sure, it still needs supervision. Today. But it has definitely passed a threshold where it is now safer to supervise it than to drive without it. And it continues to improve quickly. I expect it to work unsupervised within two years (and unlike Elon I have not been saying this every year for the past decade).

Yea, two more years for the last 10.

The feedback I heard was definitely not that. The mistakes it makes are incredibly hard to predict, and they were lucky that no one was on the side of the road as they could've killed someone if a person had been there and they'd been a half second late.

That's the point. It's actually worse than a dumber system, because it's not even past the margin where it can go a month without a mistake, but you don't have to correct most days. The absolute worst possible scenario for safety.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by KingMob »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #672
KingMob wrote: post #567

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xAI literally says in their own lawsuit, "Defendant breached the xAI Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy by leveraging Grok to generate non-consensual sexually explicit images and CSAM". "CSAM" is literally right there. If you think know better than xAI itself, take it up with them.

Twitter and Musk don't get to define USA law no matter what you think.

"CSAM" is literally right there. If you think know better than xAI itself, take it up with them.

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Post by mlindner »

soundworlds wrote: post #252
shon wrote: post #243

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It's less of a bet against him. It's more of a bet for the future of humanity. And contrary to what Elon believes about himself, his work has been toxic for humanity for the last 5 years and is getting worse.

Elon helped save the future of humanity by causing a massive shift in how people treat opinions that don't goose step with the rest of the media. That happened when he bought Twitter and it continues with grok being balanced (and confirmed as such by independent testing of multiple models).

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by modeless »

nwienert wrote: post #687
modeless wrote: post #534

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Sure, it still needs supervision. Today. But it has definitely passed a threshold where it is now safer to supervise it than to drive without it. And it continues to improve quickly. I expect it to work unsupervised within two years (and unlike Elon I have not been saying this every year for the past decade).

Yea, two more years for the last 10. The feedback I heard was definitely not that. The mistakes it makes are incredibly hard to predict, and they were lucky that no one was on the side of the road as they could've killed someone if a person had been there and they'd been a half second late. That's the point. It's actually worse than a dumber system, because it's not even past the margin where it can go a month withou…

From the very beginning of self-driving people have been making this claim that supervised systems would cause complacency that would make them perversely less safe. A lot of people believe it, but it's always been just an opinion based on speculation, not data. It's actually an empirical question. The data is in and this claim is definitively disproven. There is no increase in crashes when people use FSD. Not back when it was actually bad, not recently when it was just OK, and still not today when it's actually quite good but not perfect.
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