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Now this is contrarian!
I’m an anti-Musk zealot and I now pay for a subscription, it’s pretty good stuff
> I'm
Wrong tense.
Grok Build is open source
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The people with that level of money are very few.
Companies aren't funded by one person, even his. After their current round, Blue Origin will have raised more than three times as much capital as SpaceX, and SpaceX is obviously far more advanced and has already gone public. Rivian used ten times more capital to reach their first delivery and twenty times more before their IPO as compared to Tesla. It looks like it's not Musk's money making his companies successful.
He's good at exploiting naive people's dreams.
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The people with that level of money are very few.
Musk had around $180M when he founded SpaceX in 2002, and purchased Tesla in 2004. ChatGPT tells me that more than 55,000 people in the world have more wealth than this. So either people who have money choose not to make such risky investments, or they're incapable of it. Probably both. We're very lucky that someone who is both capable of building companies like this and is willing to go bankrupt doing it exists.
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#644This is an incredible amount of code for what it offers. I don't think this was intentionally designed at all.
For anyone wondering:
Grok Build is 1.35 million lines of Rust.
Codex is 1.16 million lines of Rust
OpenCode is 593k lines of Typescript
Pi is 219k lines of Typescript
Hermes-Agent is 1.4 million lines of Python and 300k lines of TypeScript.
OpenClaw is 5.9 million lines of TypeScript (wtf)
(all figures include tests, comments, and blanks, calculated from scc's Code column)
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#645There's some surprising stuff in this codebase. For example, https://github.com/xai-org/grok-build/blob/b189869b7755d2b48... is a "self-contained terminal renderer for Mermaid diagrams", which renders a subset of Mermaid chart types using Unicode box-drawing.
This has been my favorite coding harness of all time. The mouse works for a lot of things. Theres keybindings that confuse me, but I otherwise enjoyed it. I might wind up forking / contributing in the hopes of helping to make it somewhat better. I had built my own also using Rust but I liked their implementation much better. This might explain part of how they pulled it off.
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#646Just blogged about this here[0] but at least they're not doing the usual canned PR response surrounding this. Folks are already building on top of it: thedavidweng/gork-build[1] — rebrand grok→"gork", stripped vendor telemetry, opt-out-only data retention, blocks x.ai auto-update. A "VSCodium-style privacy fork." DigiGoon/digi-grok-build[2] — "dgrok" multi-provider CLI, builds from source instead of x.ai CDN. victor-…
These are all pointless forks, they will die in a year. Bookmark this and check back.
Or maybe Grok Build will implement some of these changes and render them obsolete.
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#647I like that the trailing players strategy (Meta, xAI) is to open source the moat of the leaders. I think we will all benefit from it. and hopefully both the leaders and the trailing players will be much less powerful in the end.
Codex CLI was open source from the start. The reason they open sourced this is because grok-build uploaded entire directories.
I wonder if that malicious feature was removed from the open release. In addition, if the builds aren't reproducible and people just run the binaries distributed by X instead of building from source, there is no guarantee that they aren't running a version with malware.
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You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…
There is also a simpler explanation that does not make Musk looking like an evil wrongdoer - Musk is working on human-shape robots, for this he needs AI. BTW. Musk started electric cars revolution (which is supposed to help the planet?), he made space flights way cheaper and accessible, his Starlink/Starshield saved Ukraine from being defeated right away by Russia, but, because of his political views, he is considere…
"political actions" even!
not to mention his current 'Tommy Robinson' political opinion spree is sufficient to have very serious objections to his political opinions. I'd no more associate with him than I would Henry Ford at the height of his Dearborn Independent stuff or Theodore Bilbo etc. Of course a person's views can be so bad that they take on a moral dimension, that seems very obvious.
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I know that this is a tall order, but consider that this might not actually be “objective” , and that instead, you’re substituting your opinion for facts. (You don’t need to enumerate all of the things you believe justify the statement. I’m well familiar with them. I’m just trying to make you understand that there’s a layer of subjectivity here.)
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People like to say things like this and present zero links. It should be easy to prove, but you'll link when he waved to the crowd or whatever.
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You can still handle this well enough in the renderer, so I'd still consider this a renderer bug - e.g. my terminal emulator will scale any glyph that exceeds the bounding box as defined by the expected number of cells for a given character range. You can't expect any given feature of random characters to align, but I can expect box drawing characters surrounding any given characters to align correctly or consider it…
ok... I disagree, and I mean no offense, but there's going to be too much contexts and nuances to be taken into account that it's probably not worth trying for both of us. All I can say is that the problem is not that the pipe characters are given inconsistent width but that non-ASCII characters has all different random widths, and if you need texts with double-width characters like ▶, 漢, ก, etc., to align in a grid,…
No, you don't need to pick a fixed width font for that. You will get the best results with one, but rescaling the glyphs works just fine. I've written a font renderer. It's not hard.
In fact my terminal, using said font renderer, rescales glyphs by default because even a lot of "fixed width" fonts are buggy and not truly fixed, and so enforcing the grid alignment and scaling to fit was the easiest way to ensure consistency.
Mixing and matching fonts for full coverage works fine, especially for wide characters.