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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

afavour wrote: post #375
skissane wrote: post #357

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> I didn’t say block all illegitimate uses, though. We’re talking very specifically about disabling the production of CSAM But what is “CSAM”? If by it you mean illegal material-different jurisdictions worldwide have different laws on that topic, so material which is illegal in one jurisdiction can be legal in another.

Ok, then let’s just say CSAM by definition of US law. Twice now you’ve tried to expand the parameters of this so that it becomes something impossible to tackle. But there’s no actual reason to do that. Grok is able to tackle CSAM, as demonstrated by the fact that they are currently doing it . The question is why they ignored the very public issue for as long as they did.

USA law would put everything created by Grok as legal.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #448
m463 wrote: post #422

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> This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. I think he just wanted to have a sci-fi future, and because many other people think similarly he has tapped into that shared desire and has been succeeding. Looking at things from the other side, musk is good at making physical things, where other companies are weak. Grok in a tesla car is actually well integrated and kind of nice. You can…

Musk itself doesn't make things. He only puts the money, and other people build the things. How many times, they need to work around him or fix his crazy ideas ? People must stop trying to compare it to Tesla or Tony Stark. He is more like the bad guy of Jurassic Park 2.

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Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by urbsgpw »

Culonavirus wrote: post #434
Gigachad wrote: post #367

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The AI undressing scandal was on mainstream news and being discussed publicly by politicians. It's not some underground drama. The real life people I know still remember he called the cave diver a pedo after a disagreement. There's very few people left in the world not soured on Elon.

No, there's very few >left wing What mainstream news and which politicians? Cnn, Msn, Bbc? Which "scandal"? You mean that Grok Imagine had some security holes that let you "put XYZ into bikini" which were promptly patched but not before the far left and professional complainers activated their "mainstream news" co-conspirators and blown this out of proportion like they do with everything Elon related (or Trump relate…

This.

When I was less into tech (2010-2015), I hated how everyone fawned about Elon (remember Hollywood casting him in iron man?). As I started to transition into tech I remember being impressed by the design principles of his companies (simplify, remove complexity).

But I am absolutely baffled how his detractors don't see that exactly what you mentioned, that they are part of subset of society, with very strong opinions (think race, economics, religion) and can't fathom somebody having a different opinion without that person being immoral. And the worst part is what you mention at the very end: the mental policing of this group in the past 10-15 years. I liken it to a religious sect (ironically, even though they hate Christianity, probably closest to a new age christian sect).

I've had this discussion up here last week pointing out the vitriol Elon gets is, to my mind, for the wrong reasons (and the reasons are exactly what you mention).

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by threethirtytwo »

driverdan wrote: post #387
qup wrote: post #324

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Because I don't believe what you just said about him. Literally not even one detail.

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No he doesn't. There's a lot of bullshit surrounding him. Things are taken out of context.

I will say this, he believes in things about race that are controversial. For example that races may have different IQs. But you have to realize we don't actually know if races have different IQs. The idea fits common sense though... if races can LOOK different... what black magic suddenly makes them completely equal in intelligence when the same genes that govern looks also govern intelligence? We don't have hard evidence on this so right now the best we can say is we don't know but measured evidence and common sense points to the possibility of intellectual differences.

This, in itself, is not actually racist.

He does believe individual meritocracy so meaning even though he believes race correlates with certain stereotypes (like intelligence) he feels that people on the intellectual level need to be judged by merit and not by race.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by nextaccountic »

xp84 wrote: post #409
brokencode wrote: post #352

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What rule about steelmanning? We’re commenting online, not writing peer reviewed research. And yeah, some people lose the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, but actions have consequences. Elon doesn’t just get to kill hundreds of thousands of poor people by eliminating USAID and expect everyone to treat him the same way. He’s made enemies for life, and he deserves it.

Wait, you think not giving additional aid = responsibility for whatever happens in the developing country? Does this blame go for the rest of the year, decade, or century? Does giving aid in the first place automatically trigger this? If I gave $500 to kids cancer research every year for 5 years, and then I don't give this year, do I have blood on my hands every time a kid dies of cancer from now on? And if you didn'…

> If I gave $500 to kids cancer research every year for 5 years, and then I don't give this year, do I have blood on my hands every time a kid dies of cancer from now on? And if you didn't ever donate, you don't?

> How does this work?

Okay, since the topic at hand is steelmanning, that is, replying to the strongest possible argument, let's practice that.

I invite you to watch this video, which is a short lecture that indeed exposes the strongest argument for this exact proposition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVl5kMXz1vA (Peter Singer - ordinary people are evil)

I think the video is the best short exposition but you could try reading the paper the video is about

https://rintintin.colorado.edu/~vancecd/phil308/Singer2.pdf

Or reading about the paper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine,_Affluence,_and_Moralit...

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by exodust »

Gigachad wrote: post #367
brightball wrote: post #340

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Reddit is not “the average person”

The AI undressing scandal was on mainstream news and being discussed publicly by politicians. It's not some underground drama. The real life people I know still remember he called the cave diver a pedo after a disagreement. There's very few people left in the world not soured on Elon.

> "mainstream news...cave diver...the world soured on Elon"

Must be stressful maintaining the low quality rhetoric and negativity?

Straight from reddit I presume, to regurgitate tales about cave divers. This is the diver who bizarrely and publicly attacked Musk for trying to help rescue kids from a cave. "Shove his submarine up his rear end" or something. Musk fired back his own stupid words. The court awarded the diver zero dollars. Diver wanted $190 million! Pay day denied! Justice served.

> The real life people I know...

Any real life person who keeps it real, knows the diver was an absolute tool. Attempting to twist history for some kind anti-Musk ammo is a fool's game.

Re: Grok Build is open source

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Post by piokoch »

this_user wrote: post #223
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #133

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Another tactical move is to just stop. You're allowed to exit the AI business. Nobody's forcing you to keep throwing money into the furnace. Just be a rocket company. All of the xAI founders left. Your product's brand name is mud. Just stop doing that and build spaceships.

You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place…

There is also a simpler explanation that does not make Musk looking like an evil wrongdoer - Musk is working on human-shape robots, for this he needs AI.

BTW. Musk started electric cars revolution (which is supposed to help the planet?), he made space flights way cheaper and accessible, his Starlink/Starshield saved Ukraine from being defeated right away by Russia, but, because of his political views, he is considered an evil man.

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