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Post by Wowfunhappy »

walrus01 wrote: post #591
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that a camera case obviously cannot ride a bicycle, this would clearly and indisputably be an incorrect interpretation of the request. I mean, okay, a bird also cannot ride a bicycle, but at least it is alive, has feet, etc.

True, but in real life I've more than once seen a small Pelican case strapped to a bicycle (long distance touring bikes, people carrying electronics that should stay out of the water). There are some very small and lightweight pelican cases. Not riding it, no... But I've definitely never seen a bird on a bicycle.

Sure you have--on sesame street and a million other books and cartoons.

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Post by btbuildem »

simonw wrote: post #111

Pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... - rendered via the OpenRouter API: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3 95 input, 16,658 output = 25 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=95&ot=16658&ic=3&oc=15 (13,241 of those were reasoning tokens.) I think that's the most expensive pelican I've rendered through a Chinese model so far.

The bicycle is almost anatomically correct! Forks should be raked the other way.

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Post by bobmcnamara »

btbuildem wrote: post #613
simonw wrote: post #111

Pelican: https://tools.simonwillison.net/markdown-svg-renderer#url=ht... - rendered via the OpenRouter API: https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k3 95 input, 16,658 output = 25 cents! https://www.llm-prices.com/#it=95&ot=16658&ic=3&oc=15 (13,241 of those were reasoning tokens.) I think that's the most expensive pelican I've rendered through a Chinese model so far.

The bicycle is almost anatomically correct! Forks should be raked the other way.

Who needs stability when you can have a pelican?

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Post by bobmcnamara »

pwython wrote: post #369
dominotw wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every ai release thread seems to have this same sequence of comments

My comment on GLM-5 five months ago: "How many pelican riding bicycle SVGs were there before this test existed? What if the training data is being polluted with all these wonky results..." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46974853

Probably explains the duck farm OpenAI purchased recei

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Post by AussieWog93 »

api wrote: post #415
lukebechtel wrote: post #386

> Chip Design > As an early proof of concept, Kimi K3 designed a chip to serve a nano model built on its own architecture. In a single 48-hour autonomous run, K3 built, optimized, and verified the chip using open-source EDA tools on the Nangate 45nm library. Within 4 mm², the chip closes timing at 100 MHz and sustains over 8,700 tokens/s decode throughput in simulation, packing 1.46M standard cells, 0.277 MB of SRAM,…

I had a thought a while back: sell large local models burned onto fused compute / ROM chips. Like cartridges for old game consoles. Slot (or probably plug into USB-C) and go. It’s an ASIC with the model wired into it so it’s very low power and fast. I’d buy these. Say $100 for a frontier class model. Maybe more.

Is suspect you're looking at more like $100k than $100 for an ASIC with enough memory and compute to handle Fable.

But the flip side is possibly 1000+ tok/s on a SOTA model, which would be game changing.

Could make sense for datacentres or enterprise, but I don't think we'll be getting SOTA Game Boy carts this decade.

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Post by simonw »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #609
sydd wrote: post #177

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I wouldn't be surprised if models were optimizing for rendering SVG pelicans at this point

It was in the release presentation for GPT 5.6, they acknowledged the simonw test and then rendered one.

Gemini 3.1 Pro too: https://simonwillison.net/2026/Feb/19/gemini-31-pro/#jeff-de...

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by jeremyjh »

frabcus wrote: post #491
softwaredoug wrote: post #478

So Chinese labs are driving essentially towards commodotized intelligence. Even if its a few months behind the US. Is this a classic 'commoditize my compliment' situation? They want to sell the hardware and infrastructure behind AI and make the software part not the value driver / moat? I can see it. But also even two Chinese labs sinking 100s of millions USD into training isn't exactly commoditization. It's still a…

Umm, Fable only really came out 2 weeks ago, and GPT-5.6 Sol only 1 week ago. Yes, Kimi K3 appears a touch below them both, but above all other models. So I'd say a few weeks behind, not months now...

If they were a few weeks behind, Moonshot would release a Fable level model in a couple of weeks.

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Post by zkmon »

vl wrote: post #581
softwaredoug wrote: post #478

So Chinese labs are driving essentially towards commodotized intelligence. Even if its a few months behind the US. Is this a classic 'commoditize my compliment' situation? They want to sell the hardware and infrastructure behind AI and make the software part not the value driver / moat? I can see it. But also even two Chinese labs sinking 100s of millions USD into training isn't exactly commoditization. It's still a…

This is strategy by Chinese government, so much of US economy is invested in AI. Releasing free or cheap versions of the models undermines US economic growth. It’s asymmetric strategy that makes sense if you are close second in AI race. If situation is reversed, US would do the same.

It's exactly the same strategy followed by the Silicon Valley for the past 3 decades to beat the IBM-era companies. Google gave everything free. Social media stuff was free. Video calls are free. Bloggers gave content for free. A lot ot open-source product developers did managed offerings of the free products.

Re: Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence

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Post by ignoramous »

wolttam wrote: post #106
sudosysgen wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article says weights will be released in the coming days, and hints it's likely around 50-70B active params.

It did say that, but it doesn't any longer.

  The full [Kimi K3] model weights will be released by July 27, 2026. Further details on the architecture, training, and evaluations will be released alongside the Kimi K3 technical report.
https://archive.vn/KBzXr
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